Ok, Lean bulk cycle time...

[MrRage]

Ok, So im finishing up this clean cut in a few weeks... which well.. has been faster than most, but still suffers from being slow due to the wonderful fact that i cant take stims. 11-oxo for 4 weeks into lean xtreme has been useful. Coming off a year of doing nothing has been tough cause i had really bulked up a bit in that year, wasnt really taking care of my self (divorce, laid off etc) (ive gone from a 41" waist back down to 34 now... hoping to be 32 or less by the time im done)

Soooo... once im down back to someplace REASONABLE to start... its time to start loading the mass back on. I used to be a lean 215... wanna get there again, heres my stats and what im thinking of running. Wanted to get some input from some other bros on this.

5'8"
188 (probably will be closer to 180)
15.5% (hopefully 12-13 by the start of this)

Cycle ideas:
1:
wk 1-12 Test E 500
wk 1-12 EQ 400
Wk 1-3 Sdrone 15mg
blah blah hcg, letro, clomid

or

Wk 1-12 Test E 500
Wk 1-3 Sdrone 15mg
Wk 10-14 Havoc 30mg


if you wonder why the PH's... going for the dryer gain of the SD, plus i have it on hand already. and i dont trust tren or Winstrol (winny) cause the problems i have with stims and Premature Ventricular Contractions. Kinda always worried they will affect em, so i stick with what i know doesnt. Going with a nice lean bulk diet... anyone have any suggestions?

 

[Ythrashin]

I'd run cycle 1...but up the EQ to 600mg

 

[livebigdieyoung]

cosigns

 

[MrRage]

yeah... thinking that way as well... just debating putting out the extra cash for the EQ right now.

 

[b_saan]

yeah... thinking that way as well... just debating putting out the extra cash for the EQ right now.

I <3 EQ ... I think it's worth it but it's your body, how has EQ worked for you in the past vs. solo Test?

 

[MrRage]

this would be my first time running it... done test and test/deca

 

[b_saan]

this would be my first time running it... done test and test/deca

I prefer EQ to Deca but thats just me, I had bad sides from Nor prods in the past. EQ has always been good to me, appetite/joints/maintaining size/strength is always enhanced for me on a cycle with EQ. One thing though is that EQ should be run for a longer period of time than you'd need to run Deca or straight Test as it's effects are felt later in the cycle, something to think about if you're only planning on running for 12 weeks (bare minimum for an EQ cycle IMO).

You would definitely hold less water with EQ than Deca. A real good cutting cycle for me is Test 500/EQ 600 for 16 weeks, I also like to hit the last 4-6 weeks with 50mg Win ED but it's not necessary (the EQ seems to counterbalance any joint issues with Winstrol (winny) for me).

You'd probably be fine with just the test actually, diet/train well maybe add some clen cycling and use the test to maintain muscle mass but it's up to you.

 

[TheMilkMan]

yeah... thinking that way as well... just debating putting out the extra cash for the EQ right now.

IMO... If I had to pay anything for EQ, I wouldn't run it. If someone was going to give it to me for nothing, sure. But otherwise, I would spend the money on something different. You may want to give TBol a try.

 

[MrRage]

You'd probably be fine with just the test actually, diet/train well maybe add some clen cycling and use the test to maintain muscle mass but it's up to you.

yeah, cant do clen cause the heart palpitations...
think im leaning toward doing a just test/sd cycle... its been a few years since i did a test cycle so i think it will be pretty effective.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Npp?

 

[MrRage]

meh, think im gonna wait to do npp for another cycle... probably a prop/npp cycle

 

[MrRage]

IMO... If I had to pay anything for EQ, I wouldn't run it. If someone was going to give it to me for nothing, sure. But otherwise, I would spend the money on something different. You may want to give TBol a try.

what do you dislike about EQ? just curious.