On cycle Proviron as an AI, +SERM/HCG & post cycle therapy (pct) advice...

[neptunoprofundo]

On cycle Proviron as an AI, +SERM/HCG & PCT advice...

Goal: Gain lean muscle mass, strength and endurance, I am a Triathlete...

Starting stats; 6' 3", 170 lbs, very little body fat, training for 25 years, ride 35 miles in 2 hour (without drafting) & weight train 1 1/2 hrs, both, 5 days/wk.

Current stats after 5 weeks of 11 wk cycle below;

Sustenon, 500mg/wk
Boldenone undec, 500/wk
Proviron 50mg/day

183 (gained 13 lbs), riding same 35 mile lap in 1 hr 45 min. (cut time by 15 min or 13%) beating my fastest recorded time of 10 years ago... and getting stronger...

In the 10th week of this cycle, I plan on starting Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 500iu/day, observing for rebound/drop of testes, if so, then reducing to 250iu/day for a total of 3 weeks.

If *augmented signs of estrogen present at any time, I will begin 20mg Nolvadex/day.

Pct starts 3 weeks after last injection of EQ. (boldenone) with Nolva 20mg and possibly Clomid 50mg for 3-4 weeks.

Notes: Besides oily skin, errect nipples (definatly not itchy or larger and not much more sensitive than normal) and a lack of swing of my ball sack (Testes haven't seemed to atrophy noticably yet but the bag is tighter), I don't seem to be exibiting additional estrogen sides like;

bloating/water retention, numbness, elevated blood pressure, hair loss (the contrary, 2 o'clock shodow, not a 5 o'clock), acne, insomnia, decreased libido (due to Sust. & Proviron)...

Questions;

1) Does the above plan of Proviron as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) & Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) use and Serms in post cycle therapy (pct) look acceptable for a cycle over 1 gram/wk for 11 wks duration?

Recap: I have been using Proviron at 50mg/day (reduced to 37.5mg/day last week due to perma-wood) with mild Aromatase inhibitor (AI) intentions.

2) In your experience, is this a reasonable drug for the job?

3) If you agree, then should I run the Proviron until;

the beginning of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (remember i'm planning on starting Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 1 week before the end of the cycle), until the last shot of the cycle, to start of post cycle therapy (pct) or all the way through post cycle therapy (pct)?

4) If not, then what serm or Aromatase inhibitor (AI) would you recommend and for what duration?

I also remember reading somewhere, that it is best to stop HGC usage 5-6 days before post cycle therapy (pct).

5) is this true in your experience? And if so, then to use Nolvadex concurent with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would defeat this... Is this a problem? What do you think?

Thank you for your time...

 

[neptunoprofundo]

Me

The last 5 days i've been researching my own scenerio and have modified my stack as follows:

Today I started amimidex @.5mg/day & plan to run it for 1 week, then reducing to .5mg eod 'til post cycle therapy (pct) which is 8 wks out.

In 4 days I will begin Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) @500iu sub Q 2x/wk, reducing to 250iu if good response in 5 days-6 1/2 wks...

In the last few days I have noticed alittle more water retension and decided the Proviron wasn't going to cut it for the next 5-8 weeks... I am also experiencing higher bp: 137/87, beats/min: 54, still below what is considered high: 140/90, but mine is usually 110/60 & 50 beats/min.

Therefore, I will be terminating the proviron in 4-7 days tapper...

Has anyone had experience in Proviron vs. Arimidex in regards to Hypertension (blood pressure) sides?

In addition; notice now I am planning to run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) sub Q @500-250iu/wk for 7 wks not 3 wks... Starting in 1 week when the Arimidex reaches blood plasma levels, I'm ready to wake the boys back up... in your experience, do you think this is a good plan? post cycle therapy (pct) remains the same...

Thanks for your time!

 

[neptunoprofundo]

Just a follow up note: I discontinued Proviron on 10/31 because I was bordering on high blood pressure and tappered in arimidex at .5mg/day to finish my weeks 8-11 1 gram Sus/Eq stack...

For what it's worth, I had experienced no estrogenic sides while using the Proviron as an AI...

However, the last 3 weeks I added in Stanozolol in the form of Stanabol-Tek* from an UGL in Mexico at 30-60mg/day at the same time starting HCG Sub Q at 500iu/day for 10 days, reducing to 250iu/day for 5 days and upping to 750iu/day for 3 days, then 750iu/EOD for ~1 week & yesterday 1,500iu and noticed 1/4" round ball under both nipples ~1 1/2 weeks ago, upping arimidex to .75mg and then 1mg... I am tappering off the Arimidex and starting PCT below on 12/13:

Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg or Nolvadex 20mg

So, the mild estrogenic sides were probubly from the HCG, but I'm still on .5mg Arimidex tappering to .25mg in the next week before post cycle therapy (pct), so I think I'm o.k. 'til then...

So far, I have gained 13 kilos of lean muscle mass and will report how much I keep in 1 month or so...

How does the PCT look?

 

[neptunoprofundo]

Correction to HCG doses:

H.C.G. Sub Q 500iu/day starting 11/13 for 10 days, reduced 250iu/day for 5 days, upped 750iu/day for 3 days due to lack of response, then 750iu/EOD for 4 days & 1,500iu EOD thru 12/7, 2 inj (13,000iu & 24 days total with 6 days to clear before post cycle therapy (pct)) and the boys are responding just the last few days since I'm off the Stanozolol(?) for 3 days now...

I also am reconsidering my post cycle therapy (pct) doses as follows as a compromise between excessive doses of SERMS & the fact of beginning signs of Gyno (noticed 1/4" round ball under both nipples ~1 1/2 weeks ago, not increasing in size, Probubly due to increasing Arimidex to 1mg/day, which I am now tappering off, currently at .5mg/day reducing to .25mg/day and ending in 4 more days)

Starting in 6 days when injectables have reached half lives:
Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
Following 10 days – Nolvadex 10mg

What do you think?

 

[neptunoprofundo]

Have been out of the Gym for 1 month now accept 9 days on a Cruiseship & eating like a pig... Finished PCT as follows:

12/9-12 40mg Nolva, due to begining signs of gyno.
12/13- Official start, 150mg clom + 2omg nolva.
12/14-19 100mg clom + 40mg nolva (irritable as hell, exhausting dreams from the past, not the greatest timing to visit Mother & family, reduced dose...)
12/20-23 50mg clom + 40mg nolva
12/24-27 50mg clom + 20mg nolva (reduced dose again, ankle became inflamed where I have cronic oesteomyelitis from a break & bad surgery in Mexico, I believe due to too low estrogen)
12/28-31 50mg clom + 20mg nolva (ankle back to normal)
1/1/10-1/4/10 25mg clom + 20mg nolva
1/5-12 10mg nolva only...

Today I am 195 Lbs with alittle extra fat, love handles, that I will burn off riding, but I still pumped up pretty good in the gym last night...

The Clomid was very difficult due to the exhausting dreams, but I certainly learned some things about what can be hidden back in those closets... I would just plan better next time, PCT without relatives!

So, at this time, I have gained ~25 Lbs. lean muscle mass at age 50 on this 11 week, 1 gram + stack... However, I would suggest extending the cycle to 14 weeks, due to the late gains of the Boldenone, which kicked in ~the 8th week... now I'm back in the Gym & will begin the Isla 40 mile bicycle lap manana...

I will Report again in 1 month...

 

[neptunoprofundo]

Lost the outragous vascularity that started during Proviron part of cycle, However, strength is still good and body weight currently at lean 195 lbs... Not bad since my starting weight was 170 lbs... Gained 25 lbs lean muscle mass and dropped about 15 minutes off average bicycle 40 mile lap times of 2 hrs. to 1:45 hrs.

But now I am starting the full 9 month Ironman training program, so weight will probubly drop...