oral steroids and liver toxicity - overstated?? Evidence based statement

[HereToStudy]

Oral anabolic steroids liver toxicity is overrated. Although it isn't anything to take lightly their is a general fear instilled in people. Its always best to be on the safe side and thats liver toxicity is spoke of.

There are reported cases of hospitalization form oral hormones. Why is this a debatable fact?

 

[H 3 L L S M A N]

There are reported cases of hospitalization form oral hormones. Why is this a debatable fact?

There are reported cases of drinking to much water aswell, but I am on the boat that this is not to be underestimated or considered safe to use for long periods of time or high amounts. I have set my own person rule of 4 weeks.

 

[Moppy1]

The worst thing for your liver is drinking while taking Tylenol. Ibuprofen is not really liver toxic, but is hell on your kidneys. Most oral AASs are not really that bad compared with tylenol, just dont mix alcohol or take tylenol with orals. I weighed in earlier on this tread, as I have had years of blood work while on orals, sometimes 50+ mg Adrol a day for 12 weeks, without even a hint of liver enzyme elevation.

 

[HereToStudy]

There are reported cases of drinking to much water aswell, but I am on the boat that this is not to be underestimated or considered safe to use for long periods of time or high amounts. I have set my own person rule of 4 weeks.

That is not the argument I am arguing against. I read your post as "I know they are liver toxic, and I choose to run them in a controlled fashion to limit the harm," which is probably very close to how I would dictate my own thoughts. I am not saying don't do any orals, they are clearly a part of the AAS world, and there are certainly a reason for their usage. I just don't deny that they are toxic, see this post below.

The worst thing for your liver is drinking while taking Tylenol. Ibuprofen is not really liver toxic, but is hell on your kidneys. Most oral AASs are not really that bad compared with tylenol, just dont mix alcohol or take tylenol with orals. I weighed in earlier on this tread, as I have had years of blood work while on orals, sometimes 50+ mg Adrol a day for 12 weeks, without even a hint of liver enzyme elevation.

You would be an extreme minority. You can literally google high AST post cycle, high ALT post cycle, high bilyrubin post cycle, etc.. and fine a ton of bloodwork showing it. You can do the same for lipids as well. You can do the same for blood pressure. Just because your body tolerates them does not mean that they are non-toxic. There are guys who live to 100 smoking two packs a day, does that mean that smoking is safe? I would also suggest you stick with the bloodwork. Handling them well usually does not mean that being reckless can go unchecked.

 

[MattPorter]

To the guy who ran abombs for 12 weeks with no skewed liver values ---- Damn good genetics for accepting drugs brah!

You are not common people...

Take your Liver Juice and precautions to everyone else!

-Matt

 

[ryansm]

The worst thing for your liver is drinking while taking Tylenol. Ibuprofen is not really liver toxic, but is hell on your kidneys. Most oral AASs are not really that bad compared with tylenol, just dont mix alcohol or take tylenol with orals. I weighed in earlier on this tread, as I have had years of blood work while on orals, sometimes 50+ mg Adrol a day for 12 weeks, without even a hint of liver enzyme elevation.

Uh, can I possibly see this blood work? I have a hard time believing it...if so then you are definitely in the minority. I have seen LFT's in the 800's on SD, my own bloods (which are quite extensive as well) also show toxicity at even very low doses of popular orals

 

[HereToStudy]

Uh, can I possibly see this blood work? I have a hard time believing it...if so then you are definitely in the minority. I have seen LFT's in the 800's on SD, my own bloods (which are quite extensive as well) also show toxicity at even very low doses of popular orals

I give up. It is not worth it. And similarly, I have a very hard time believing it.

 

[MattPorter]

if anyone's running Winstrol (winny), dbol, anadrol, superdrol, epistane, etc,,,,,

please hit me up for some discount on Liver Juice --- your body will appreciate it!

-Matt

 

[Getl4rg3]

Orals fuck your liver end of discussion as specially stana.. i was taking 50mg ed with no liver support supplements and i got bloods back and LFT was no good for about 2-3 months

 

[HereToStudy]

Orals fuck your liver end of discussion as specially stana.. i was taking 50mg ed with no liver support supplements and i got bloods back and LFT was no good for about 2-3 months

This is the norm.

 

[JimiThing]

You only get one. Your liver is fine..till it isnt.
This overzealous abandon is what gives steroids a bad name. Just because one time it didnt mess up liver values...doesnt mean next time they wont be fvcked. Those clinical trials arent worth the paper they are printed on ...ever see all the lawsuit commercials about every drug under the sun? What happened in those clinicals?
Use some prudence for fvcks sake. Its not like kidney where you have 2 (not that id want to damage one anyway). I cant think of one process in the body the liver isnt involved in some way shape or form in.
I use rui udca and run orals prudently ..almost as an ancillary to my cycles.

 

[MattPorter]

You only get one. Your liver is fine..till it isnt.
This overzealous abandon is what gives steroids a bad name. Just because one time it didnt mess up liver values...doesnt mean next time they wont be fvcked. Those clinical trials arent worth the paper they are printed on ...ever see all the lawsuit commercials about every drug under the sun? What happened in those clinicals?
Use some prudence for fvcks sake. Its not like kidney where you have 2 (not that id want to damage one anyway). I cant think of one process in the body the liver isnt involved in some way shape or form in.
I use rui udca and run orals prudently ..almost as an ancillary to my cycles.

What kind of dosages have you experimented with with orals???

Will you include orals with most every cycle?

How many per year?

-Matt

 

[HereToStudy]

You only get one. Your liver is fine..till it isnt.
This overzealous abandon is what gives steroids a bad name. Just because one time it didnt mess up liver values...doesnt mean next time they wont be fvcked. Those clinical trials arent worth the paper they are printed on ...ever see all the lawsuit commercials about every drug under the sun? What happened in those clinicals?
Use some prudence for fvcks sake. Its not like kidney where you have 2 (not that id want to damage one anyway). I cant think of one process in the body the liver isnt involved in some way shape or form in.
I use rui udca and run orals prudently ..almost as an ancillary to my cycles.

I have used a combination of UDCA (I have a pharma source) and Liver Juice on my oral cycles. Bloodwork has shown the combo of the two to be quite effective.

 

[JimiThing]

What kind of dosages have you experimented with with orals??? Ive experimented with all types of dosages over the years. From the ridiculous to the sublime.

Will you include orals with most every cycle? 2/3 of the time.

How many per year? well seeing as i run 3 cycles/year - I cilude oral is 2- ill expand below

-Matt

I really only use 3 orals now. Anavar (var) / Winstrol (winny) / and dbol.
Var i run at 60mgs / day for 6-8 weeks usually / Winstrol (winny) at 50mgs/day for 6 weeks. One of my cycles contains one or the other of these compounds.
Dbol I run differently than most. i include dbol in my other oral containing cycle. I run it at a low dose , longer duration. ie : 15 mgss/day broken upo into 3 - 5mg doses for 8 weeks. If you have never tried it I suggest giving it a go. What a boost to any cycle and well retained gains unlike the usual easy come easy go.
These protocols are conservative compared to what i used to run when I was younger..thats for sure.

 

[HereToStudy]

I really only use 3 orals now. Anavar (var) / Winstrol (winny) / and dbol.
Var i run at 60mgs / day for 6-8 weeks usually / Winstrol (winny) at 50mgs/day for 6 weeks. One of my cycles contains one or the other of these compounds.
Dbol I run differently than most. i include dbol in my other oral containing cycle. I run it at a low dose , longer duration. ie : 15 mgss/day broken upo into 3 - 5mg doses for 8 weeks. If you have never tried it I suggest giving it a go. What a boost to any cycle and well retained gains unlike the usual easy come easy go.
These protocols are conservative compared to what i used to run when I was younger..thats for sure.

How have LFTs looked with that type of dosing?

 

[JimiThing]

How have LFTs looked with that type of dosing?

With the dbol and the Anavar (var) im fine. I stay within normal- high end but normal. With the Winstrol (winny) however , i got it checked and it was 69. With the udca around 2 years later , same cycle it was 47. My lifestyle has been consistent as well , im not a drinker or rec drug user etc. I eat a "healthy" diet with a few cheats here and there but overall based on lifestyle liver issues would be considered low risk for sure. No history of liver disease / disorders in family either. Off cycle stbilzed liver values are well within normal range btw.

 

[ryansm]

With the dbol and the Anavar (var) im fine. I stay within normal- high end but normal. With the Winstrol (winny) however , i got it checked and it was 69. With the udca around 2 years later , same cycle it was 47. My lifestyle has been consistent as well , im not a drinker or rec drug user etc. I eat a "healthy" diet with a few cheats here and there but overall based on lifestyle liver issues would be considered low risk for sure. No history of liver disease / disorders in family either. Off cycle stbilzed liver values are well within normal range btw.

Living a healthy lifestyle is another important aspect when running 17aa's

 

[MattPorter]

With the dbol and the Anavar (var) im fine. I stay within normal- high end but normal. With the Winstrol (winny) however , i got it checked and it was 69. With the udca around 2 years later , same cycle it was 47. My lifestyle has been consistent as well , im not a drinker or rec drug user etc. I eat a "healthy" diet with a few cheats here and there but overall based on lifestyle liver issues would be considered low risk for sure. No history of liver disease / disorders in family either. Off cycle stbilzed liver values are well within normal range btw.

interesting on the 60 mgs of Anavar (var) being more friendly than 50mgs of winny...

Also --dbol in 2-3 mgs doses....and you actually notice effects? How can you notice effects when this is ran on top of other compounds in much higher doses?

Something distinct must be observed here?

-Matt

 

[JimiThing]

interesting on the 60 mgs of Anavar (var) being more friendly than 50mgs of winny...

Also --dbol in 2-3 mgs doses....and you actually notice effects? How can you notice effects when this is ran on top of other compounds in much higher doses?

Something distinct must be observed here?

-Matt

Dbol ..even at low doses... has a significant effect on nitrogen retention and protein synthesis. I picked up the tip from 2 competitive bodybuilders. It really does accent your gains and blows the easy come easy go rep dbol has out of the water. I encourage you to give it try.
btw its 3 - 5mg doses /day for a total of 15mgs/day.

 

[HereToStudy]

Dbol ..even at low doses... has a significant effect on nitrogen retention and protein synthesis. I picked up the tip from 2 competitive bodybuilders. It really does accent your gains and blows the easy come easy go rep dbol has out of the water. I encourage you to give it try.
btw its 3 - 5mg doses /day for a total of 15mgs/day.

Interesting, may give it a try at some point if I feel like experimenting.