ok so i have a bottle of sarms s4 and osta sarms and was wondering what the best way to stack the two would be......i have questions on dosage and additional supplements that should be taken during the sarms s4 and osta stack....also considering the mild suppression the s4 causes what post cycle therapy (pct) would u reccommend....i also plan on running clen for the last 2 weeks.... im running this on its own NOT after an AAS cycle. any feed back would be greatly appreciated
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Hull Tech
Recon to Caveman
Unless your taking a huge amount of S4 <150mg/day then any suppression you see is microscopic.
I've stacked both and found that there is no ' right way' everyone is a bit different, personally I started a week early with my S5 at 50mg/wk then added in 30mg/wk of osta , ended my cycle of S4 and carried my osta on for another month afterwards before I started S4 again. I know with Alubt mixed into my stack I could jog for ever and not get tired and the fat fell off, I could see changes daily.
I've stacked both and found that there is no ' right way' everyone is a bit different, personally I started a week early with my S5 at 50mg/wk then added in 30mg/wk of osta , ended my cycle of S4 and carried my osta on for another month afterwards before I started S4 again. I know with Alubt mixed into my stack I could jog for ever and not get tired and the fat fell off, I could see changes daily.
burlyman
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Did you get blood work done showing you had no suppression? There's a body of evidence out there from many people's blood work showing that both compounds suppress at the higher doses, and higher meaning 50-100mg of S4 and 25mg of Osta, and it's not "microscopic". More like 20% on osta and 30-40% on S4.
As far as stacking, I think your dosing strategy is pretty good. I never go above 50mg of S4 regardless of running it solo or stacked. Osta 12.5 to 25.
Hull Tech
Recon to Caveman
I'd like to read what you're basing this on, I've had no effects of suppression. I'm in the military as well so anything 'abnormal' would be flagged right away, maybe because I'm over 40 i'm not seeing the suppression of a younger person. I'm doing a 100mg/day now, just started it. As far as I've read, people have gone to 150 with only minor effects, but i'll let you know, one thing I've noticed after 4 days is a slight yellowing.. so bumping the level up does bring it back.
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burlyman
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This is horrible advice. Letro does not help suppression of testosterone. Letro kills estrogen and makes your joints feel like you are 90 years old.
burlyman
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Sorry I'm not as internet savvy as some on here so I don't have links ready to post here, but there has been quite a bit of bloodwork done now to show what I am saying, and it is in several logs across the net if you have time to scour for them. I don't have that much time. Sorry.
I can tell you that my personal bloodwork echos what other logs on the net have shown. My test levels were lower and my E2 levels were elevated. I used Androhard (version 1) to combat the E2 levels and it worked like a charm.
You have had no effects of suppression? or had no suppression? Those are two very different things. If you knew your pre-cycle bloodwork numbers, you could determine just how much suppression by doing post cycle bloodwork. Post cycle bloodwork only tells you where you are at, not what % of change has occurred. Fact is, your hormone levels could change 20-30% and the military wouldn't flag it as long as it was still in the "normal range". A 20-30% drop could allow you to still be within range, though you would be suppressed. Not shut down. Just suppressed. Sometimes the body can bounce back from this on its own, sometimes not. Usually the process is slower at our age (I have a year on you).
Ok so I decided on the dosage 25-40mg s4 5 days on 2 off and ostra 24 mg daily runnong it from 6-8 weeks dependent on results n side effects...my main concern is combating suppression and maintaining estrogen levels within range...what supplements should I incorporate to the cycle? Should I include a test booster? Etc. Help!
Hull Tech
Recon to Caveman
I'd rather do this and take 1/5th the normal then try to force myself out of any 'suppression' that might occur.
I will reiterate I have not had any effects of suppression, have I had suppression? more then likely but seriously, I would bet that ANY cholesterol lowering statin drug would lower your test. levels more then SARMS. I would even say that A few cups of Green tea or Soy beverage a day would lower your Test. levels more then a 100mg/day dose of SARMS.
I think that making an overemphasization about the ammount of suppression without context is alarmist..
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burlyman
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I don't even know why you are talking as if you have any authoritative knowledge on this. You have not done bloods, so you are just guessing. I've done bloods. Others have done bloods. Their bloods agree with my bloods. Science, my good man, disagrees with your method of "best guess".
Talking about how green tea lowers test more than SARMs is just you making up more stuff. Come on, man. Please stick to facts. You are talking in circles with no facts.
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Hull Tech
Recon to Caveman
Well if you used 'science ' then you would also know that no two people are alike. So your results are YOURS alone, no one else's. AS for tests, sorry but up here In Canada we don't have access like you do to labs, we can't walk in ad ASK for XXX test at a moments notice, appointments to see a GP to get a referral for booking to a lab is what is required. which is ~ 1-2 weeks total time.
AS well, your obviously seeing a tree and not the forest.. many things in regular every day life will lower your test. Athlete's dieting to meet a weight limit will reduce test by an avg of 30%. did your SARMS use take your test levels down by 30%..
As I said, context; SARMS is not changing test lvl's outside the normal variations you can have from day to day based on diet and activities.
Karila TA, Sarkkinen P, et al. Rapid weight loss decreases serum testosterone. Int J Sports Med, 2008 Nov;29(11):872-7.
AS well, your obviously seeing a tree and not the forest.. many things in regular every day life will lower your test. Athlete's dieting to meet a weight limit will reduce test by an avg of 30%. did your SARMS use take your test levels down by 30%..
As I said, context; SARMS is not changing test lvl's outside the normal variations you can have from day to day based on diet and activities.
Karila TA, Sarkkinen P, et al. Rapid weight loss decreases serum testosterone. Int J Sports Med, 2008 Nov;29(11):872-7.
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Roland deschain
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Yeah, that sounds like it would be a nice addition to your sarms stack.
no one is denying that there are other ways to have your test levels affected. you suggested letro to reduce suppression... STOOPID!
urnotgettinin
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Hey guys, I don't want to raise a dead thread here, but I got a bottle of sarms s4 to try it out, I'm a little confused as to how much to take or how to measure it rather.
I got it from s search 100mg/ML 30ML, I want to start with 50mg's a day, but on the bottle to measure it it says .50ML and 1.0 ML, i'm not a math genius, how much exactly is that add up to 50mg?
thanks
I got it from s search 100mg/ML 30ML, I want to start with 50mg's a day, but on the bottle to measure it it says .50ML and 1.0 ML, i'm not a math genius, how much exactly is that add up to 50mg?
thanks
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n2euro
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If you want 50mg and it's 100mg per ml, then you would take .5 ml.
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