Planning out new cycle, first time with NPP.

[Roush]

i never said short and long esters cant be run together, all i'm saying is that i am a firm believer that long ester compounds that aromatize will bloat you more. i only speak from experience. i held a lot less water when i was running 700mg test prop a week vs 750mg test cyp. i was using the same AI @ the same dose. i got my e2 control down to a science i know exactly how much adex or aromasin i need per 250mg of test going into my body.

well you did say "It makes no sense".. your words.

question then.. using your thought about bloat and long ester and short not making sense to be ran together.

If you were running Test Propionate and wanted to run Masteron along with it, would you then choose to run Masteron Propionate as a short ester because that makes more sense in your 'bloat' view then it would be to run Masteron Enathate. ??

 

[SoHo]

well you did say "It makes no sense".. your words.

question then.. using your thought about bloat and long ester and short not making sense to be ran together.

If you were running Test Propionate and wanted to run Masteron along with it, would you then choose to run Masteron Propionate as a short ester because that makes more sense in your 'bloat' view then it would be to run Masteron Enathate. ??

no because masteron doesn't aromatize. i've actually run mast enth with test prop before. i'm actually on a mast blend right now, along with 700mg tren ace a week and 175mg test cyp a week

 

[Megatron28]

i never said short and long esters cant be run together, all i'm saying is that i am a firm believer that long ester compounds that aromatize will bloat you more. i only speak from experience. i held a lot less water when i was running 700mg test prop a week vs 750mg test cyp. i was using the same AI @ the same dose. i got my e2 control down to a science i know exactly how much adex or aromasin i need per 250mg of test going into my body.

You need more experience then. You should adjust your dosing frequencies if you are having E2/Bloat issues.

 

[SonOfZeu$]

why are you running long ester test and short ester nandrolone? to me that makes no sense. also what's the point of running var if you're gonna be on test e?
NPP= short ester = minimal bloat
var= no bloat
test e= long ester = bloat

makes no sense. switch the test to prop

First time with NPP, would you tell someone to run Tren E for the first time? Or Ace? Same thing goes go NPP & Deca, if my body rejects it, or has a side effect. Then I can discontinue the NPP and continue running Test E. As for the VAR, I am not running it anymore. I have to disagree on the TEST part, I've ran very strict diet and ran a lot, and had very low bloat. As it being for your experience, i believe you that it bloats you. However what was your sodium intake, how much cardio did you do, and at what intensity. You already mentioned you kept your AI in check. But all of these factors play a role in controlling your E levels.

 

[SoHo]

You need more experience then. You should adjust your dosing frequencies if you are having E2/Bloat issues.

mondays and thursdays man. just like how i split up my cruise dose

First time with NPP, would you tell someone to run Tren E for the first time? Or Ace? Same thing goes go NPP & Deca, if my body rejects it, or has a side effect. Then I can discontinue the NPP and continue running Test E. As for the VAR, I am not running it anymore. I have to disagree on the TEST part, I've ran very strict diet and ran a lot, and had very low bloat. As it being for your experience, i believe you that it bloats you. However what was your sodium intake, how much cardio did you do, and at what intensity. You already mentioned you kept your AI in check. But all of these factors play a role in controlling your E levels.

i dont wanna have to put so much effort into staying dry when all i have to do is switch esters. long esters just dont seem to work for me as good as short esters do, i just like them better i dont see what this big debate is about. i wish i could run long esters without looking bloofy but i just cant. maybe i have OCD but i cant stand the least bit of bloat, thats why i even try to avoid high test cycles in general.... but sometimes i just cant resist! high test cycles are so great

 

[Megatron28]

mondays and thursdays man. just like how i split up my cruise dose


i dont wanna have to put so much effort into staying dry when all i have to do is switch esters. long esters just dont seem to work for me as good as short esters do, i just like them better i dont see what this big debate is about. i wish i could run long esters without looking bloofy but i just cant. maybe i have OCD but i cant stand the least bit of bloat, thats why i even try to avoid high test cycles in general.... but sometimes i just cant resist! high test cycles are so great

Try pinning every day next time and see what happens.

 

[SoHo]

Try pinning every day next time and see what happens.

pinning test cyp/enth/sust every day?

 

[SonOfZeu$]

pinning test cyp/enth/sust every day?

You can try that, maybe it will keep your levels more stable. Remember that you know your body best, if that's whats happening when you ran long esters, than maybe you should try to get a E test. That way you can see if its estrogen that is getting out of control when your running high test.

 

[Manticore1]

i never said short and long esters cant be run together, all i'm saying is that i am a firm believer that long ester compounds that aromatize will bloat you more. i only speak from experience. i held a lot less water when i was running 700mg test prop a week vs 750mg test cyp. i was using the same AI @ the same dose. i got my e2 control down to a science i know exactly how much adex or aromasin i need per 250mg of test going into my body.

There is your problem with bloating. 700mg of prop vs 700mg of cyp will give you different blood concentrations due to the overlapping half lives of cyp. If you ran the same ai for both then you will def have bloated more with cyp as your blood concentration will be a lot higher as the weeks go by.

 

[SoHo]

i would rather not overcomplicate things and just run test, rather than do a whole scientific research to minimize bloat on cyp/enth just to save a couple bucks. i really dont mind pinning EOD or even pinning ED. it really does not bother me.

 

[Roush]

i would rather not overcomplicate things and just run test, rather than do a whole scientific research to minimize bloat on cyp/enth just to save a couple bucks. i really dont mind pinning EOD or even pinning ED. it really does not bother me.

if you pinned test suspension every 6 hours you may even have less bloat

 

[SonOfZeu$]

What do you guys think of this set up for the cycle. The AI, & prami are included.

Week 1-4 Dbol 30mg ed
Week 1-14 Test E 300mg/week
Week 4-14 NPP 500mg/week

I already have test e. So I'll just stuck to it even at a low dose. Again

Or..

Week 1-14 Test E 600mg/week
Week 1-4 Dbol 30mg ed
Week 1-12 NPP 300mg/week

 

[OnlyTheGreat]

Hey mate, didn't read through the thread as I don't have much time, so excuse me if I say things that have already been mentioned.

1. Start npp two weeks after test as it is a shorter ester and will still shut you down hard, just like deca.
2. Run npp just as long as test - again, shorter ester so no need to stop two weeks before test.
3. AI? DA?


Do you have experience with mast p? Heard it's a good combo with nandrolone and a moderate test dosage. Could also be cheaper than var. I don't know as I have never used var. Test/npp/mast will give good, hard, solid lean gains.

Also keep in mind with npp being a shorter ester than deca, you get more of the actual hormone per ml than deca. Meaning 400mg npp will be more effective than 400mg deca. Just keep that in mind with your dosage. Even 350mg per week could do you just fine.

Good luck

 

[SonOfZeu$]

Hey mate, didn't read through the thread as I don't have much time, so excuse me if I say things that have already been mentioned.

1. Start npp two weeks after test as it is a shorter ester and will still shut you down hard, just like deca.
2. Run npp just as long as test - again, shorter ester so no need to stop two weeks before test.
3. AI? DA?


Do you have experience with mast p? Heard it's a good combo with nandrolone and a moderate test dosage. Could also be cheaper than var. I don't know as I have never used var. Test/npp/mast will give good, hard, solid lean gains.

Also keep in mind with npp being a shorter ester than deca, you get more of the actual hormone per ml than deca. Meaning 400mg npp will be more effective than 400mg deca. Just keep that in mind with your dosage. Even 350mg per week could do you just fine.

Good luck

AI and Prami I already have. I'e never used mast p. I have used Tren ace 3x, test p, test e, dbol, var many times. I want to go with NPP since it's my first time using it. I would save mast for later since, tren has already messed with my hair line a bit. Have you ever done a 2:1 ratio with NPP? I'm trying to just do a clean lean bulk keeping my BF% around 9-11%