Please help, Endo is not helping.

[buildingpaul]

Well people the Endo has said I do not need testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). I live in the UK and my Test levels are 7.8 (229 USA) I have had 5 blood tests over the past 18 months and they are all around 6.8-8.2. The NHS range is '5.5-35.5' So I am falling in to there safe range so they will not treat me......Although with a lot of reading on the net anything under 12 is low, so I am really low at 7.8 (229).

My symptoms are.....

Anxiety
Low moods
Low confidence
Poor erection
Low sex drive
Irritable
Mid section weight gain

I am 39 years old in a few weeks. 6ft and 229lbs. Arms and shoulders are very good as in muscle, so are legs and back, but abdominal area and chest are fat.

What can I do, what can I say to this Endo'? I am also under a Shrink for my anxiety and he wrote to her saying he would think I would benefit from testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), she has written back to him saying I am in the normal range for the NHS so she will not help.

Any ideas or ammo I can use against this Endo' would be great.

Thanks

 

[Megatron28]

Sounds to me like you need testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). Have you considered intentionally tanking your Test levels to ensure you fall within their range?

 

[tiredguy]

229 is considered normal? sweet moses malone, maybe if you're 90.

Well people the Endo has said I do not need testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). I live in the UK and my Test levels are 7.8 (229 USA) I have had 5 blood tests over the past 18 months and they are all around 6.8-8.2. The NHS range is '5.5-35.5' So I am falling in to there safe range so they will not treat me......Although with a lot of reading on the net anything under 12 is low, so I am really low at 7.8 (229).

My symptoms are.....

Anxiety
Low moods
Low confidence
Poor erection
Low sex drive
Irritable
Mid section weight gain

I am 39 years old in a few weeks. 6ft and 229lbs. Arms and shoulders are very good as in muscle, so are legs and back, but abdominal area and chest are fat.

What can I do, what can I say to this Endo'? I am also under a Shrink for my anxiety and he wrote to her saying he would think I would benefit from testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), she has written back to him saying I am in the normal range for the NHS so she will not help.

Any ideas or ammo I can use against this Endo' would be great.

Thanks

 

[fatboy26]

Piss the Endo off

Well people the Endo has said I do not need testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). I live in the UK and my Test levels are 7.8 (229 USA) I have had 5 blood tests over the past 18 months and they are all around 6.8-8.2. The NHS range is '5.5-35.5' So I am falling in to there safe range so they will not treat me......Although with a lot of reading on the net anything under 12 is low, so I am really low at 7.8 (229).

My symptoms are.....

Anxiety
Low moods
Low confidence
Poor erection
Low sex drive
Irritable
Mid section weight gain

I am 39 years old in a few weeks. 6ft and 229lbs. Arms and shoulders are very good as in muscle, so are legs and back, but abdominal area and chest are fat.

What can I do, what can I say to this Endo'? I am also under a Shrink for my anxiety and he wrote to her saying he would think I would benefit from testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), she has written back to him saying I am in the normal range for the NHS so she will not help.

Any ideas or ammo I can use against this Endo' would be great.

Thanks

Paul I was diagnosed with Low T when was I was 37. My numbers were slightly higher than yours. But I was feeling shitty to.

I was referred to 2 Endos. One I would not send my dog to the other although much more polite had really no intention of treating me.

Endos are overrated and overpriced and I do not believe they are really qualified to treat Andropause which I think you may be suffering yet they will take your money.

You might either have Primary or Secondary Hypogonadism.

This needs to be determined.

So I would urge you to PISS off you current Endo as I would not pay that person a wooden nickel.

I am sorry for the language but this really upsets me when scumbags like that are more than willing to waste your time and take your money then do fukin nothing to treat you.

The scores you posted are low.

And you have all the symptoms.

Find yourself a doctor that treats Men's health. Do not give up.

Find out if its Primary or Secondary.

Look at the treatment options. Look at the side effects. You need to know this as there may be.

Good luck mate

 

[buildingpaul]

Thanks so much guys.

Being in the UK I am under the NHS so we dont pay as NHS money comes out of our wages each month.

I can get and have a load of Testosterone as it is very easy here in the UK as it is not illegal to have. So I was thinking about self administrating my self as I have a load of Test C.....It is UGL stuff though.

I have to ask though, would having a higher Testosterone level help anxiety as it is crippling me, I find it hard to even go in to shops as feel so anxious

 

[HammerT1]

You need more then just higher T levels to get your emotions in check. You have to keep your E in check too. Without adex my E levels shoot up and I'm just as bad as I was before raising my T.

 

[buildingpaul]

I have some Arimidex to hand. I was thinking of this......75mg of Test C Monday morning and 75mg of Test C Thursday morning with 0.25mg Arimidex every 3 days?

Can low Test cause anxiety though?

 

[riprockwell]

Damn, I hate reading about Endos. I swear, they should be sued for failing to treat your symptoms and keeping your health in the gutter. I would try to see if you can find a good doctor over there that is open to it. However, you need to come with some ammo to your first meeting. Understand testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and explain what you want to accomplish. The sad part is even if your doctor agreed that your test levels are low and was willing to treat you, 20 bucks says they would offer you gel/cream and again no estrogen control either. I will say that when I had low T, my anxiety levels were through the roof. I would literally shake during the day. Had some anxiety attacks as well. I believe that most people's anxiety is hormonal man. Correcting your low T could very well help you out with this. Your dosing protocol looks good. As for adex, that might be too much but its worth a shot and you can monitor your E levels to see what dose is the best. Might want to google for anti-aging clinics in your area and see what pops up. Those docs are usually pretty good with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). But to answer your question, once I fixed my Low T and thyroid, my anxiety has left completely.

 

[halfwit]

I really really hate "tricking" the system, but I agree with Megatron's suggestion here. As you're at the mercy of a National health care system, it might be in your best interest to tank your levels a bit more by taking test for a month and going cold turkey for another month. You'll probably feel even worse than when you started, but that may bring you down low enough to qualify. Self-administration should be kept as a last resort as sources may become difficult to come through when you need them most. Just be sure to push for injections, not the gel/cream crap which you can always come up with reasons to avoid such as young children or women being in close proximity to you throughout the day - risking exposure.

Klonopin/Xanax/Diazepam are all drugs I've been able to put away for good once my hormones were finally put into balance. I had troubles driving anywhere and would often break into a cold sweat when in public places, so I completely understand what you're going through. I agree with Rip on this, endos that refuse to treat people should be subject to litigation. Drives me nuts when I see overzealous docs that say you're fine based on a silly insurance-driven range.

 

[Megatron28]

I really really hate "tricking" the system, but I agree with Megatron's suggestion here. As you're at the mercy of a National health care system, it might be in your best interest to tank your levels a bit more by taking test for a month and going cold turkey for another month. You'll probably feel even worse than when you started, but that may bring you down low enough to qualify. Self-administration should be kept as a last resort as sources may become difficult to come through when you need them most. Just be sure to push for injections, not the gel/cream crap which you can always come up with reasons to avoid such as young children or women being in close proximity to you throughout the day - risking exposure.

Klonopin/Xanax/Diazepam are all drugs I've been able to put away for good once my hormones were finally put into balance. I had troubles driving anywhere and would often break into a cold sweat when in public places, so I completely understand what you're going through. I agree with Rip on this, endos that refuse to treat people should be subject to litigation. Drives me nuts when I see overzealous docs that say you're fine based on a silly insurance-driven range.

I have also heard that if you literally do not sleep for a day or two before your blood draw and drink a lot of alcohol for several days before your blood draw that you can drive your T lower. But I don't know how well that works when you are already at the bottom of the range like you are.

 

[halfwit]

I have also heard that if you literally do not sleep for a day or two before your blood draw and drink a lot of alcohol for several days before your blood draw that you can drive your T lower. But I don't know how well that works when you are already at the bottom of the range like you are.

Yeah, I remember seeing those tips too - but I agree, if you're already at the bottom end; will it do anything? I can't believe 229ng/dL isn't considered low in the UK. They must like their men even more docile than they do here in the States.

 

[tiredguy]

I have also heard that if you literally do not sleep for a day or two before your blood draw and drink a lot of alcohol for several days before your blood draw that you can drive your T lower. But I don't know how well that works when you are already at the bottom of the range like you are.

isnt working out right before a blood draw supposed to lower T as well?

 

[totalburnout]

You guys are over thinking this. Shoot the Test you have. Use the Arimidex you have.

See if this makes you feel better for a few weeks, a month, whatever. If it does, stop the injections and don't do PCT. Go get yourself tested and you'll be out of range. Problem solved.

 

[Megatron28]

You guys are over thinking this. Shoot the Test you have. Use the Arimidex you have.

See if this makes you feel better for a few weeks, a month, whatever. If it does, stop the injections and don't do PCT. Go get yourself tested and you'll be out of range. Problem solved.

I was just thinking that going on a serious bender over the weekend would be more fun and much faster than stopping T injections cold turkey and feeling miserable for a month waiting to be tested. Definitely not trying to over think it. Question is though, how much more can you tank your TT when it is already down to 226?

 

[halfwit]

What blows my mind is that NHS wants men to be at 158.63ng/dL to even qualify! I don't know if drinking or even intentionally taking exogenous hormones could drop him down that low. I was at 120ng/dL when I started testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), but I was sicker than a dog most of the time and hated life. Hell, I bet an easy way to find out is to take an oral for a week or two, and get bloods in the late afternoon. That might do the trick, but still - 226 is already CRAZY low in my book!

 

[totalburnout]

I was just thinking that going on a serious bender over the weekend would be more fun and much faster than stopping T injections cold turkey and feeling miserable for a month waiting to be tested. Definitely not trying to over think it. Question is though, how much more can you tank your TT when it is already down to 226?

Inject 200mg T cyp per week for 4 weeks. Stop. Give it two weeks to clear your system. Production will be stopped and you'll likely be under 226. If not under 226 by then, then wait another week.

 

[Megatron28]

There are also some anti-androgen drugs out there that would lower your T, but I think they can have some unwanted side effects potentially. I don't know which would work best for you. Below is what I found online.

Androcur (Cyproterone acetate) was banned in the USA because it was used to chemically sterilise men.

Casodex (Bicalutamide) prevents testosterone from binding to any receptors in the body.

Proscar (Finasteride) is very effective for reducing one particular for of an androgen that affects hair-loss in men.

Spironolactone creates a lot of work for the liver and does require an increase in fluid intake.

Prostap & Zoladex

 

[Mprtz]

Lupron is the T blocker that I hear about most in connection with prostate cancer treatment.

 

[Good.2.Go]

Thanks so much guys.

Being in the UK I am under the NHS so we dont pay as NHS money comes out of our wages each month.

I can get and have a load of Testosterone as it is very easy here in the UK as it is not illegal to have. So I was thinking about self administrating my self as I have a load of Test C.....It is UGL stuff though.

I have to ask though, would having a higher Testosterone level help anxiety as it is crippling me, I find it hard to even go in to shops as feel so anxious

Self administer safely/correctly. Find out the answers to the question that you have concerning if testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) will improve your symptoms. As you can see there are so many people here willing to help you.
If self administering does help continue safely/correctly and enjoy life again. If testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) medication was legal here in the states probably the only people that would seek an ENDO is the ones that are not aware of OLOGY and it's members. Given all the known, that is what I believe, I would do. Keep your head up...you can't keep a good man down!

 

[1693]

With NHS having the range so low and with having steroids legal, seems the NHS doesn't want to pay for it and wants you to self prescribe, bet a lot of guys there do.