possible fake npp...just a few questions

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OnlyTheGreat

on my way
Hey guys,

I am on a test - npp cycle at the moment. Week 7 of test-e, week 5 npp. 500mg test and 525mg npp per week.

Now I have reason to believe that the npp is fake. I have not noticed any real change in joints, but I must say that I have not experienced any joint pain so far on this cycle with strength going up slowly. Not as much as I expected with npp however. My diet is being taken care of by 3J so there is no shortage of nutrients. I have been logging the weights I use and they are going up and I am losing bf at the same time.

Now the weird thing about this cycle is that I got a painful lump about the size of marble under my right nipple. It cannot be from the test as I use 1mg arimidex eod and it is legit. I have no water retention, no pimples, no mood swings/changes. I can definitely feel the test in my system (more aggression, sex drive, faster recovery) so it is legit as well. The test and npp are from the same lab.

Say the npp is not fake, is it at all possible that the lump is from prolactin? I have squeezed the nipple and there is no liquid coming out. My nipples are not itchy or sensitive at all, just that hard lump behind the right nipple. I figured it could be prolactin causing the mammary gland to swell? If indeed it is the npp causing this, I would have to stop it as that also means that my caber is bunk. I have used tren before with no prolactin sides so this is weird and new to me. Are there ways to tell that the npp is fake? Things I should look out for?

I am due for my mid cycle bloodtest next week, so I will be able to tell whether it's fake or not and whether my e2 is high (highly doubt it) but I figured I'd come here first to just get some advice/opinions and just get ready for the bad (hopefully good) news.

Also, instead of making a new thread, do you guys know of any good links to do some research on blasting and cruising? I want to start, but there is still that little voice in my head that says no, so I figured I would just do research in the meantime. Also anything on fertility and AAS would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance for the advice guys
 
No blood test for nandrolone bud. You will need to labmax it.

Well drug testing can find it but I don't know where to get that specific test.
 
Would it be possible to get a full hormone panel and test for nandrolone? I've read somewhere that it does exist in the body but in very small doses
 
I am sure it is possible somewhere to check nandrolone levels but it is probably really expensive. None of the private labs guys here typically use have tests for it.

Nandrolone aromatizes - so you need to take that into account when determining your AI dosage. Although you are already taking a female-cancer patient dosage of Arimidex. Is your body fat extremely high? Or are you just a super-aromatizer? Or under dosed Adex?

What color is your urine?

What is your injection frequency/dosage for the NPP and Test? What ester are you running for the Test?

The gyno lump is probably from high estradiol. High estradiol and running a 19-nor creates an environment for high prolactin. Are you running cabergoline the whole cycle? If so, how much weekly? How are you dosing it? Have you started taking Raloxifene to combat the gyno?

Why wait for the blood work? You are running into issues. Go now and see what is going on. Get the Female Panel and Prolactin.
 
To see if your body has npp is e z. U can go to a drug test lab and test yourself for nadrolin prop. Check the box for specific gravity. It will be pricey 150 ???? as aas are harder to localize as is it s metabolites. Now when we do drugs and absorb them they leave metabolites in various places...thc is fat soluable that s y thc can be detected for 28 day s more or less a week, depending on use and bodyfat. Metabolites are "exhaust fumes if you will " left in our body in various forms or places. Deca CAN be detected for months..npp..go to drug detection times at passyourdrugtest.com and use I m. They are great.

Now here in lies the problem; though I taught drug testing for 3 years in my 14 yr tenure as a u.s xxxxxx xxxxx the trick for YOU if you go this route will be to determine how many metabolites are indictive of how much npp is getting to your blood plasma level s and working as an effective aas.
 
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SJC said:
HOLY SHIT!!! 1 mg a week kills me and you're taking 4mg!! At .75 mg wrists hurt so bad I cant do push ups. You must aromatise like a SOB to need that high level of AI
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No wonder he hasn't felt any joint support from the NPP..

OP - I'm running NPP as well,, I'm 3 weeks in. I did leg day yesterday,, my leg press has went up 200 lbs in those three weeks,, calf raises was over 800 lbs yesterday. My joints fill great even though my weight has went up a lot and I'm lifting heavier *

* I'm actually still not lifting heavy,, yes the amount of weight has went up a lot, but I'm still doing very slow controlled 15-20 reps and contracting the muscle,, So this is light lifting,, But the fact that I'm having to add a lot more weight is evidence the NPP is kicking in
 
I don't see where he mentioned .75mg of adex. But if it is that high it's possible the extra AI is drying out the joints. .5mg 3 times a week is more than enough.

Also there can be no glandular activity in the nipples in the absence of E. There very well might be elevated prolactin levels but without high and fluctuating E levels there is no trigger to activate the glands to swell and lactate.

NPP will give you an overall sense of wellbeing, and it will cause increases in strength and a little extra water retention but nothing like deca.

You will know if your caber is bunk by the first time you get busy with your wife or girlfriend. If you preforming like a porn start then the caber is legit.

Get the E levels checked and go from there.

Sounds to me like your just over obsessing about everything and mind fucking yourself.
 
SoCalSwole said:
NPP will give you an overall sense of wellbeing, and it will cause increases in strength and a little extra water retention but nothing like deca.
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why would it be any different than deca? Why does it matter what ester the nandrolone is attached to?
 
weavy88 said:
why would it be any different than deca? Why does it matter what ester the nandrolone is attached to?
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The longer ester in deca is what causes all of the negative sides in deca. Nandrolone if not at stable levels can cause more aromatizing to occur. NPP has the short Prop ester and you can avoid all the fluctuating levels by pinning ED, or at least EOD. You can minimized the sides by injecting the regular deca more frequently like 3 times a week but NPP is far superior in regards to getting the benefits of deca without all the water retention and increased E levels. It's well documented look it up.
 
SoCalSwole said:
I don't see where he mentioned .75mg of adex. But if it is that high it's possible the extra AI is drying out the joints. .5mg 3 times a week is more .
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He said he runs 1mg of AI eod ... That's a lot !

That's probably enough to make you feel like crap and make you think your NPP is bunk ;)
 
SoCalSwole said:
The longer ester in deca is what causes all of the negative sides in deca. Nandrolone if not at stable levels can cause more aromatizing to occur. NPP has the short Prop ester and you can avoid all the fluctuating levels by pinning ED, or at least EOD. You can minimized the sides by injecting the regular deca more frequently like 3 times a week but NPP is far superior in regards to getting the benefits of deca without all the water retention and increased E levels. It's well documented look it up.
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Huh? The longer ester will yield stabler blood serum levels than the short ester. You could pin the long ester once or twice a week and have very stable blood serum levels. And let's not forget that nandrolone is nandrolone.
 
Megatron28 said:
Huh? The longer ester will yield stabler blood serum levels than the short ester. You could pin the long ester once or twice a week and have very stable blood serum levels. And let's not forget that nandrolone is nandrolone.
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I concur. Cal swole is fairly sharp imo, but here I believe he's off the mark
 
Megatron28 said:
I am sure it is possible somewhere to check nandrolone levels but it is probably really expensive. None of the private labs guys here typically use have tests for it.

Nandrolone aromatizes - so you need to take that into account when determining your AI dosage. Although you are already taking a female-cancer patient dosage of Arimidex. Is your body fat extremely high? Or are you just a super-aromatizer? Or under dosed Adex?

What color is your urine?

What is your injection frequency/dosage for the NPP and Test? What ester are you running for the Test?

The gyno lump is probably from high estradiol. High estradiol and running a 19-nor creates an environment for high prolactin. Are you running cabergoline the whole cycle? If so, how much weekly? How are you dosing it? Have you started taking Raloxifene to combat the gyno?

Why wait for the blood work? You are running into issues. Go now and see what is going on. Get the Female Panel and Prolactin.
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My doctor arranges all my blood tests for me. He is a good family friend and has agreed to look after my health. I will see him this week about a blood test and see what he can do. I dont have an extremely high bodyfat, but I did get gyno through puberty, so I guess I am a super aromataser. My urine is slightly yellow, but I do take a multivitamin everyday which could be the reason why. I drink heaps of water as I work on a ship with really high temperatures and usually by the end of the day my urine will be clear or a slightly smokey white colour. I have been running 0.25mg caber e3d while injecting test bi-weekly (enanthate) and npp eod. I have started nolva to combat gyno. I have tried getting ralox through rui but customs seized it. My country has really strict customs.


Also for all the other guys asking about my high dose arimidex, it is because I do aromatase a lot. I have discovered this with previous cycles. I have however gone a bit overboard before with 0.5mg ed on only 250mg test a week and felt the effects of low e. With my current dose it does seem to work tho. But I guess I will find out with the blood test.

Moods are fine by the way. I feel the aggression from test, but no mood swings and I am in a positive frame of mind. I will run the NPP to the end and discuss diet with 3J, I could be wrong
 
OnlyTheGreat said:
My urine is slightly yellow, but I do take a multivitamin everyday which could be the reason why. I drink heaps of water as I work on a ship with really high temperatures and usually by the end of the day my urine will be clear or a slightly smokey white colour.
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I think your urine should be a light brown color regardless of how much water you drink. I know Deca turns it that color so I am assuming that NPP does too.
 
Megatron28 said:
Why don't you just have your doctor prescribed your medications?
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He explained to me that he does not condone what I'm doing but he will help. So I did not bother asking him, but I will talk to him when I see him and maybe with a bit of luck I can get some aromasin or something. I aked him for HCG but he said no, so I assume that would be his answer for AI's and that as well.
 
Could very well be now that I think of it. I have run 500mg of test before and did not even come close to the aggression I get from this cycle. Or it could just be a better quality product as this is from a local pharma company
 
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