post cycle therapy
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Nelson Montana
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DADAWG said:workhorse , do not try to confuse nelson with the facts , it will not be tolerated
To what facts are you referring? The fact that a study was conducted at some college in Begium "sometime in the 70's" ? THAT"S what your basing this on?! That's pretty pathetic bro. If that's all you need to convince you of something you're just a sheep. Use a little discretion. Learn to question information of such obviously dubious nature. Oh wait. That would require thinking. Yeah, better you believe everything you read. And of course, cutting and pasting what someone wrote on the intenet that disagrees with another person means you "own" them, right? After all, everything anybody writes on the internet is true.
First of all, there are no particulars to the tests referred to. What are the facts? Who conducted it? How was it conducted? How many people were involved? What was their history? You see, that's the way a real scientific study is concluded. But I forgot. It's on the interent.
What a joke.
There is one interesting point brought up. It showed that Clomid does indeed increase SHBG (as I said) That means LOWER free testosterone. Now...WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU TAKE SOMETHING THAT LOWERS TESTOSTERONE WHEN YOUR HPTA IS SUPRESSED!?!?
I swear to god, I doubt if half the people who ascribe to these references even read them.
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is this the same nelson that's 5'11 and only 190lbs (enough said)
but anyways why don't you help us out and tell us how you would run a pct
i read that you recomend post/unleash from pf
was there any blood test done on guys using this product?
i know your a smart guy but help me out and give answer...
but anyways why don't you help us out and tell us how you would run a pct
i read that you recomend post/unleash from pf
was there any blood test done on guys using this product?
i know your a smart guy but help me out and give answer...
invizible84
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Nelson Always has something to say Book wise but I don't think Experience wise like Some Mods and Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) user in this board
Nelson Montana
Community Veteran, Bodybuilding Author
5'11" is exacrtly where I want to be. So if I ate like a pig and did a gram of gear a week and went to 230lbs , that would make my words more meaningful?
invizable: I have quite a bit of real world experience, not to mention havng been in close contact with some of the brightest men in the industry.
It's funny. A kid like BIG CAT has NEVER used steroids and his "expert" opinion is often quoted. Like I said: what a joke.
invizable: I have quite a bit of real world experience, not to mention havng been in close contact with some of the brightest men in the industry.
It's funny. A kid like BIG CAT has NEVER used steroids and his "expert" opinion is often quoted. Like I said: what a joke.
jcp2
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moresize2 said:
Have you ever seen a pic of Dan Duchaine, and have you ever seen a pic of nelson in top condition. If so put yours up next to his. Now that being said, this is the stupidest comment i have ever heard.
As far as clomid goes, imo, it is a shitty drug that causes just about everyone I know to feel like complete shit. If their are other ways to go about post cycle therapy (pct), why not try and figure it out, god knows i am, and clomid doesn't make me feel bad at all. But i figure i will give it a shot, and see. Because most people on the boards do not do anything except follow along like good sheep.
nelson,jcp2
my bad ....my comment was harsh and stupid...
but the question was not answered...are there any test done on guy's using post and unleashed from pf
just like PH it looks good on paper but the first gen stuff did jack
once again sorry for the comments
i'll try to post my pics up shortly
my bad ....my comment was harsh and stupid...
but the question was not answered...are there any test done on guy's using post and unleashed from pf
just like PH it looks good on paper but the first gen stuff did jack
once again sorry for the comments
i'll try to post my pics up shortly
jcp2
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moresize2 said:
No problem bro, i am using both right now, and i will be able to give you some real world results in about a month. My thing is this, people generally hate clomid, and feel like shit on it, and a few people i talked to have told me they don't like nolva for post cycle, as they didn't feel it did much. So why not try something that is not a drug, and won't make you feel lousy. I have no problem dropping some cash to try something, shit i spend countless amount of money on crap in my lifetime. If it works for me, that would be great, if it doesn't than so be it. But i think it is going to be good, their was alot of positive feedback on elite throughout the years about the ingredients, so we will see.
Nelson Montana
Community Veteran, Bodybuilding Author
moresize2 said:
The key to any post cycle therapy (pct) is to allow the body to normalize. "Crashes" occur only when you become dependant on another exogenous source, be it HCG or the infamous "bridge" (which is as dumb as it gets) or when using Nolvadex, which has a rebound effect. The anti-e's in Post-Cycle don't block estrogen, they remove it (much like proviron or a-dex but obviously to a lesser degree) which is the way to go. That's another reason why Clomid is such a poor choice. Clomid in itself is an estrogen which MAY occupy the estrogen site preventng e from attaching, but that's a VERY hit or miss approach. Get rid of it and be done with it.
As far as the libido boosters and the liver protectants, you'll just go back to normal levels when you stop, and of course, you'll no longer get the "viagra" effect. That's why I like to stay on the Unleashed year round. Having more Free T is always good.
I encourage jcp or anyone else to post their results because I know the concencous will be positive -- so positive in fact that on another board, some mods that had financial interest in another company censored all the posts that praised Unleashed and Post-Cycle.
I want to also say that if your cycle was extra heavy, or if you're highly suseptable to gyno, you may want to keep some ancilliaries on hand, just in case. (Preferably Proviron and Nolva, only if gyno is an issue) But I must maintain , Clomid is a shitty drug and HCG , although useful, will not accelerate the recouperation process. In spite of whatever anyone says, Provion, a-dex, the herbal supps and time are all there is to help restore HPTA. (So far).
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Workhorse
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Nelson... I looked into both the "Unleashed" product and the "Post-cycle" product. Are you saying that by using both of these products... they should be used as post cycle therapy (pct) rather than clomid, nolva, HCG etc??
I would still have nolva on hand etc... but are you saying that these 2 products will be more beneficial as post cycle therapy (pct) than the "traditional" ones?
The products both have 30 servings per container at one serving a day. Is that all you'd need for post cycle therapy (pct) or would you need to take it longer than 30 days?
I would still have nolva on hand etc... but are you saying that these 2 products will be more beneficial as post cycle therapy (pct) than the "traditional" ones?
The products both have 30 servings per container at one serving a day. Is that all you'd need for post cycle therapy (pct) or would you need to take it longer than 30 days?
Nelson Montana
Community Veteran, Bodybuilding Author
Workhorse said:
It depends on the situation.
As much as I hate Nolva, it is the best drug for gyno. The problem is, if gno isn't an issue, there's no reason to take it. A lot of guys treat it as a "why not" drug but that's faulty thinking. Nolva is not condusive to muscle growth and HPTA health.
I would suggest taking the supps for 2 months just to be sure. As mentioned, the Unleashed can be taken indefinetely. I think once you start, you won't want to stop. You can really feel the difference.
I still like using HCG if you experience testicle athrophy.
I just hate Clomid but a few people seem to like it. I think most people just assume it's working when in fact it isn't doing a damn thing. It's time that heals.
If youre on a heavy cycle, some A-dex during the cycle would be advisabe. In ost cases, 1/4 mg EOD is plenty. I don't like femmera beause of the libido issues. I've never used the liquids so I can't comment on them from first hand experience. It's worth it to me to spend a couple of extra bucks and get the "real" stuff, but a lot of guys had good results with them. keep in mind, too little estrogen is worse than too much in regard to one's health and sex drive.
Adding a little proviron after a cycle isn't a bad idea, but it won't help restore HPTA -- just ease the crash a bit.
BTW: Additional calories also help regenerate the HPTA. Calorie restriction will keep it supressed longer.
Workhorse
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I'm not planning on anything heavy.. 400mg Test Enanthate for 10 or 12 weeks. Nothing stacked with it... just the test.
I don't know if I understand... would taking the "unleashed" and "post-cycle" replace normal post cycle therapy (pct) of clomid or nolva etc? Or would I need to take something like nolva WITH the 2 above mentioned products? I really like the idea of a "herbal" solution, ya know?
I don't know if I understand... would taking the "unleashed" and "post-cycle" replace normal post cycle therapy (pct) of clomid or nolva etc? Or would I need to take something like nolva WITH the 2 above mentioned products? I really like the idea of a "herbal" solution, ya know?
