Total test was 201 two years ago. My fat has always been around the waist, I lack focus and have never been very aggressive, so I wouldn't be surprised if it has been low my whole life. Based on what I read I was expecting to see high LH in order call it testes failure (primary), but I guess it makes sense that LH wouldn't stay high forever. I like your suggestion halfwit. I'll ask the urologist if he thinks we can do the HCG test. He has already prescribed Androgel assuming it is primary but I want to make sure my condition is accurately diagnosed so that the best treatment can be applied.