pro size... what it takes

[bignewf]

hey guys
this is a serious question but some of you might pass it off.. ive been at this a while and am not a noob, ive done my research and have my own experiences.. however what exactly does it take to achieve pro size, I mean these guys are pretty massive

when I was young I thought it was as simple as going to the gym and lifting weigh, so that why I started.. then I was told it was nutrition so I changed that, then my next obstacle was supplements so I started supplementing. then it was gear.

ive used gear nowfor over 2 yrs, many combos and doses and what have you and I can guarantee you steroids don't make these guys massive

so then I came to the conclusion it was just simply time. I needed to keep at it and eventually ill be where I want. it takes years to build large dense muscle.. then I remember people like lee priest and big ramy..

I wont accept that its genetics, I firmly believe hardwork will get you where you want, so im back to the conclusion that being consistent with all of the above is what it takes

just wonder ur opinions on the top..

 

[halfwit]

Unfortunately a great deal of it is genetics. For example, I am very tall and have a large frame. This allowed me to lift ridiculous amounts of weight when younger, but it has been taking me a great deal of persistence, patience and hard work to try to reach the same proportions that guys a foot shorter than me achieve far faster.

I knew a kid in high school that was GIGANTIC. He had insane muscle size and seemed to grow effortlessly, and of course everyone suspected he was using AAS. It wasn't until our early 20's that he confided in me that he wanted to see if he couldn't compete, and then decided to hit the hormones. I didn't think he could get much bigger, but he really just exploded. Our group of friends could not comprehend how this was possible, but it was very apparent that some folks are naturally mesomorphs and respond far better than others to hormones.

With that said, I do also think that there are some equalizing factors out there, but they come at a great deal of investment as I'm sure you've seen. Insulin, HGH, and heavy cycles might get you to the general area, but there's the genetically gifted folks that do the same.

I'll never tell someone to give up, but I think that for a sport where a huge advantage comes from your DNA, it requires that much more hard work (and drugs) to be a contender. Note: This certainly applies to other sports as well; which kills me when I see gifted folks wasting their inherent talents by not giving it their all.

My .02c

 

[bignewf]

I don't necessarily have bad genetics.. im 6ft and 260, I got on stage with a 30 inch waist.... I think your proportions are genetic,, it is what is it.. and I know.. a lot of investment lol shit aint cheap... except the slin lol .. but I don't think dense large muscle is a thing limited to genetics alone .. atleast I hope not

 

[halfwit]

I don't necessarily have bad genetics.. im 6ft and 260, I got on stage with a 30 inch waist.... I think your proportions are genetic,, it is what is it.. and I know.. a lot of investment lol shit aint cheap... except the slin lol .. but I don't think dense large muscle is a thing limited to genetics alone .. atleast I hope not

Size alone isn't as much. It's how it ties in and has great symmetry that does. I'd kill to have the "Christmas Tree" look some of the pros have when they do a lat spread for example. Granted, I've yet to dip below 10% body fat to see that kind of definition, but my lats don't seem to connect that way.

 

[bignewf]

I get what your saying. guess ill have to stick with it and see what happens.. still got lots of time ahead of me

 

[49ER]

Increlex BOOM genetics it will turn anyone with a decent build into there own personal freak with plenty of aas as well

 

[OnlyTheGreat]

A guy from my gym was already huge as a natural. Far bigger than me even after I did my first cycle. He then started on the sauce and absolutely exploded. He is now running 1gram of test alone and is sitting at 114kg sub 10% bodyfat. He is probably 5"11, maybe 6". He also deadlifts over 300kg with the body of a bodybuilder. He runs no AI (I don't agree with the way he uses steroids) and he gets no side effects at all, only acne. So I do believe that genetics play a huge role in how you react to AAS and muscle stimulation in general.

However, in saying that, I also believe that hard work can beat genetics. But there is simply no way you can compete if the genetically superior work just as hard as you. Maybe with the right amount of drugs, but there comes a point where you have to ask yourself if it's really worth it. I personally won't use HGH or slin, but I will still compete by just using AAS as I love the sport.

 

[Southernfish]

ANYONE can build muscle and achieve a great physique and even success without being genetically gifted, but by putting in work just like you said. And I bet most do it this way, even most of the IFBB pros.

But the genetics given to a select few makes those guys shine above the rest, even though they may not win, cuz the pro scene is as political as it gets (Jay beating Victor in 2007, give me a fuckin break)

Look at guys like Victor Martinez, Kevin Levrone, Lee Priest, Phil Heath, Ramy, Flex Wheeler. That is gifted genetics at its finest.

Genetics are...

Where the muscle inserts
Metabolism
Thickness of the fascia
Myostatin gene
Responce to hormones
Tendon strength
Etc

Anyone can get big like I said but without being gifted in the genetic departments a guy will only get so far.

I saw an interview with Milos Sarcev and he said he trained Flex Wheeler for some time and he said he had NEVER seen anyone grow like that in his life. In a matter of a couple of months he went from nothing to a fuckin freak. He stated Flex was tested to see what his Myostatin levels were and he said they were almost nonexistant. So who knows if thats true but all these little things that people think dont take into consideration play a huge role in what happens. Hard work works but only goes so far.

I saw a guy a while back at my gym bench 495 for two RAW. Hes a competative BBer. Now I know damn well it doesnt matter how much work I put it Im never benching 495. I wasnt built for that. You know what I mean.

 

[jozifp103]

I think with complete dedication, proper cycling, dieting, and training, will get you very far. You can win comps with inferior genetics if you put in the time and effort. IMO genetics really only matter when it comes down to the top few competitors. Genetics will separate 1st place from 5th place but I believe you could make it to the stage with not the best genetics.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Unfortunately a great deal of it is genetics. For example, I am very tall and have a large frame. This allowed me to lift ridiculous amounts of weight when younger, but it has been taking me a great deal of persistence, patience and hard work to try to reach the same proportions that guys a foot shorter than me achieve far faster.

I knew a kid in high school that was GIGANTIC. He had insane muscle size and seemed to grow effortlessly, and of course everyone suspected he was using AAS. It wasn't until our early 20's that he confided in me that he wanted to see if he couldn't compete, and then decided to hit the hormones. I didn't think he could get much bigger, but he really just exploded. Our group of friends could not comprehend how this was possible, but it was very apparent that some folks are naturally mesomorphs and respond far better than others to hormones.

With that said, I do also think that there are some equalizing factors out there, but they come at a great deal of investment as I'm sure you've seen. Insulin, HGH, and heavy cycles might get you to the general area, but there's the genetically gifted folks that do the same.

I'll never tell someone to give up, but I think that for a sport where a huge advantage comes from your DNA, it requires that much more hard work (and drugs) to be a contender. Note: This certainly applies to other sports as well; which kills me when I see gifted folks wasting their inherent talents by not giving it their all.

My .02c

I agree on every single point 100% !

most people its training and diet the issue, NOT genetics!
change up workouts, try new styles to see what works for you, focus on diet, and the rest is only helpers I agree OP

 

[Queefer]

I am the perfect example of a genetically weak bber........I have a thick waist and naturally small and narrow shoulders............I lifted for 20 years straight and competed 5 years ago at 230lbs.........I did lots of aas and gh and competed 10lbs heavier each year til last year when I was 265 on stage and got 2nd at the jrusa out of 3.........I took my genetics to the limit and made the best out of what i was given....I will never be pro bc I dont have the genetics....if i did i would be pro bc i was extremely dedicated to the lifestyle for 20 years.