Prop is no joke

[TR2838]

I pride myself on being able to take pain.. But, prop is not agreeing w/ me! Lol.. My ass feels like someone stuck a kitchen knife in it a couple times.. My temp 99.8.. Feeling like crap! Maybe subq?? Mix with B12(but this method is pumping almost 3cc of liquid in my ass).. I don't even know where to get B12? Any other suggestion from you guys.. I would hate to waste all of this prop!

Thanks in advance

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

i pride myself on being able to take pain.. But, prop is not agreeing w/ me! Lol.. My ass feels like someone stuck a kitchen knife in it a couple times.. My temp 99.8.. Feeling like crap! Maybe subq?? Mix with b12(but this method is pumping almost 3cc of liquid in my ass).. I don't even know where to get b12? Any other suggestion from you guys.. I would hate to waste all of this prop!

Thanks in advance

order your b-12 from me. You can cut oil with water based b-12. It still offers the same "buffering" effect. Then on top of it, you'll also get the therapeutic benefits of the b-12 and a less painful prop injection.

I'm just really confused as to why or how some bro's respond so negatively to prop. I can honestly say i've never had injection site pain from test prop. I guess i'm just one of the lucky ones.

 

[cjw2021]

lol some guys claim to feel a lot better on prop..and I'm one of them. Probably due to a lower estrogen conversion. Without b12 it is just brutal though.

 

[Teutonic]

HG or UGL?

 

[cashout]

I pride myself on being able to take pain.. But, prop is not agreeing w/ me! Lol.. My ass feels like someone stuck a kitchen knife in it a couple times.. My temp 99.8.. Feeling like crap! Maybe subq?? Mix with B12(but this method is pumping almost 3cc of liquid in my ass).. I don't even know where to get B12? Any other suggestion from you guys.. I would hate to waste all of this prop!

Thanks in advance

I hate to say I told ya so but...

You seem to react to the short chain carboxyl acid just like I did.

The good news is it only lasts for about 24-36 hours after the shot.

The bad news is you have to take multiple shots a week!!!!!

 

[cashout]

order your b-12 from me. You can cut oil with water based b-12. It still offers the same "buffering" effect. Then on top of it, you'll also get the therapeutic benefits of the b-12 and a less painful prop injection.

I'm just really confused as to why or how some bro's respond so negatively to prop. I can honestly say i've never had injection site pain from test prop. I guess i'm just one of the lucky ones.

Proponic acid is one -C- removed from Formic Acid - that is bee venom.

There are a lot of similarities chemically and physically.

That = OUCH! for some of us.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

proponic acid is one -c- removed from formic acid - that is bee venom.

There are a lot of similarities chemically and physically.

That = ouch! For some of us.

good info.

 

[TR2838]

Lol... Chip, I knew the risk going into it.. I was just hoping I was one of those who feel better while on it.. I will call you for the B12..
My temperature came back down.. I feel pretty good except the Pain in my Ass.. Lol
thanks for all the feedback fellas

 

[DeusMalo]

A side note not prop-specific, but may be interesting to folks ... I now order my B12 (Cyanocobalamin) from Maximus - VERY reasonable price compared to what I was paying. I also get B-complex 100 injection (Maximus offers B-complex 100- the one you want).

Chip is right about therapeutic benefits - I do 2ml (1,000iu/ml) B12 w/HCG (not mixed,separate) and 1ml B-complex day after test injections + 1-2ml B12 halfway between test injections (day 3).

Great for energy and all other B-vitamin benefits including liver health. Common treatment for chronic fatigue (debate out there on whether it works - does for me and many I know, which is all I care about . I believe MoparMuscle says it can help with HCG absorption which is why I time it this way now. Hell, I hear it's great for hangovers.

If you've never had a B12 injection, 1-2ml/week the first few months will wake you up as if you've been sleeping for years... not the same for everyone, but my wife, parents and many friends all describe it the same way. After a while, you just feel better and won't get that wake up feeling but you'll miss it after a couple weeks.

As an FYI, Common doses I've seen are 3K iu 1-2x/week. At one point I was prescribed 10,000iu B12 2x/week plus 1ml B-complex 100. Took for 6-months - compounding pharmacy said 10K iu was fairly common (not so common was 2x/week). My wife still does 10K iu 2x/week, me I didn't feel any difference between what I do now and that so I prefer to take what works and no more. I definitely miss it if I go a week or two w/out.

Subq or IM? Depends. My wife like subq, I like IM. Subq takes longer to to absorb/work, IM faster. If my wife needs a boost, 1ml IM is the way she prefers - seems more 'instant' (I agree). Seems docs are split 50/50 on what they recommend (docs we've used over the years anyway).

B12 is in and out fairly quickly - subq is slower than IM. Try both.

Not medical advice, just personal experience since I and my family (going back to my grandparents) have a lot of experience with B injections. Personally, I wouldn't go more than 2,000-3,000iu/week to start.

OK, back to prop thread...

 

[fleverglades]

HG or UGL?

Tuetonic is a moderator now? Man - I disappear for a few months and the whole world changes. Hey Teutonic - got two new CD;s for you coming out - new Kinlin and new BitchFire.

BTW - cutting test prop with B-12 doesn't help. The pain is caused by crystallazation of the steroid when the oil leaks out. Because B-12 is water based, all of the extra volume does not mix with the oil (therbay lowering concetration) and leaks out of the muslce within 24 hours - this is why water based steroid injections hurt so much more.

So I respectfully disagree on the B-12 thing. Test prop is better taken in 50mg/ml soutions because it doesnt dissolve well in 100mg/ml solutions. I am betting the higher your test prop concnetrate, the more pain you get. B-12 will not help this.

YOu are better off warming the steroid by running bottle inder hot water in sink and massaging area before injection. Warming allows the oil to better absorb the test prop crystals thereby reducing future crystallization in the muscle leading to pain.

 

[fleverglades]

B-12

I can hardly wait for the response I am about to get challenging the "cut it with B-12" theory.

FYI - Cut it with more oil guys NOT water. They don't mix. Go ahead shake it up in syring then lay it down for a minute - you'll see the B-12 and steroid seperate almost instananeously. How in the world could that help with the injection? Not to mention, the water in B-12 mix gets absorped in 24 hours while th oil take awhile.

It's alla bout doing the right concentrations in the first place.

This is why Axio's old blends of 200mg one tryp 300mg another and 100mg another HURT SO FUCKING MUCH. All of those crystals couldnt break-down in that little oil. B-12 is uselsss to fix this.

Go ahead and our them together and see what happens.

Try running under hot water and see what happens and then post here and tell me which one worked best.

 

[Tide14]

I can only speak from experience. I'm not arguing but B12 helps me. It doesn't totally get rid of the lumps and pain but it helps a great deal. Maybe it has to do more with the increased amount of liquid causing a slower injection. A reach I'm sure but honestly, I don't really care why it helps me. It could be a Plecebo effect for all I care but if it helps I'll do it.

That being said, I'll try warming Prop with warm water and massaging and see how that does. Hopefully, I get even better results.

 

[cashout]

To some degree this is true of the higher mgs blends but it doesn't explain why 100 mgs per ml of straight test prop hurts like heck.

As I mentioned, proponic acid is a very short chain carboxyl that is exceptionally irritating to the tissue due to its chemical structure and physical properties. Its not much different than fromic acid. That hurts like heck too.

At a concentration of 100mgs per ml, solubility is not a problem so "leakage" is not an issue with lower concentrations.

I would assume that these guys are not getting high concentration prop preparations for HRT.

Tuetonic is a moderator now? Man - I disappear for a few months and the whole world changes. Hey Teutonic - got two new CD;s for you coming out - new Kinlin and new BitchFire.

BTW - cutting test prop with B-12 doesn't help. The pain is caused by crystallazation of the steroid when the oil leaks out. Because B-12 is water based, all of the extra volume does not mix with the oil (therbay lowering concetration) and leaks out of the muslce within 24 hours - this is why water based steroid injections hurt so much more.

So I respectfully disagree on the B-12 thing. Test prop is better taken in 50mg/ml soutions because it doesnt dissolve well in 100mg/ml solutions. I am betting the higher your test prop concnetrate, the more pain you get. B-12 will not help this.

YOu are better off warming the steroid by running bottle inder hot water in sink and massaging area before injection. Warming allows the oil to better absorb the test prop crystals thereby reducing future crystallization in the muscle leading to pain.

 

[ecdysone]

The pain is caused by crystallazation of the steroid when the oil leaks out. Because B-12 is water based, all of the extra volume does not mix with the oil (therbay lowering concetration) and leaks out of the muslce within 24 hours - this is why water based steroid injections hurt so much more.

So I respectfully disagree on the B-12 thing. Test prop is better taken in 50mg/ml soutions because it doesnt dissolve well in 100mg/ml solutions. I am betting the higher your test prop concnetrate, the more pain you get. B-12 will not help this.

This is almost certainly the explanation.

Test prop just doesn't dissolve well in oil, which is why it was normally manufactured in 50mg/ml concentrations except for vet use where much higher amounts of benzyl alcohol were added to the mix. Some people react to higher concentrations of benzyl alcohol, others don't - but most test injectables contain less than 1%. The ones for vet use often had 10%.

 

[a68rebel]

For real fun shoot in your calf.....I did and it took 10 weeks for a very painful lump to go away. Whole leg swelled like a balloon for three weeks and couldn't walk on it at all for one full week. FUN FUN FUN!

 

[cjw2021]

In my experience mixing it with 1:1 ratio of grape seed oil extract is better since oil mixes with oil. b12 will distribute it over a wider surface area though.

 

[TR2838]

Damn that's rough.. I've been messaging my lump in the ass for 2 days now and it's almost gone.. Thank God.. I'm going to give this prop to a guy in the gym that I really don't like and tell him the best place to pin is the calf.. Lol.. That's a joke guys b4 you go jumping all over me I'll try to warm
it up, do it subq.. If that don't work it ain't for me.. What can you do?

 

[cjw2021]

read the damn post above u

 

[TR2838]

Yep.. I read it! I can't take advice from someone who changes their mind halfway the thread!? In post # 3 you were saying how prop is a bitch w/o B12.. Now it's grape seed oil.. What next Bro! What do you actually do and how does work for you CJW?

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

LETS KEEP THE PEACE AMONGST TEAMMATES OR ELSE DADDY IS GONNA HAVE TO PUT ALL YOUR ASSES IN "TIMEOUT"!