Propecia + Cycle (MODS HELP!) STONECOLDNTO

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this February im gunna start my cycle its going to look like this.
Test Enth. @500mg weeks 1-10 (maybe up to 15)
Deca@400mg weeks 1-10
Dbol@40mg weeks 1-6
anyways... i am going to the dermatologist on thursday to get my perscription on propecia. i asked needsize about this he said that the propecia might be affected by the deca and he told me to look into it more. anyone know about this? by the way im 19 years old...my hair has been thinning out pretty bad in the front the passed year and a half and im not planning to lose it anytime soon.
 
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Just to answer the question, propecia will inhibit the formation of nandrolone (deca) into DHN. DHN is weaker than nandrolone, therefore, propecia actually makes deca harder on the hair than it normally is.
 
damn, what do you think i should do? drop the deca and what do you suggest i should run EQ?
 
RRAdam said:
Just to answer the question, propecia will inhibit the formation of nandrolone (deca) into DHN. DHN is weaker than nandrolone, therefore, propecia actually makes deca harder on the hair than it normally is.

I read a post on Anabolic Review that proves this theory not to be true. Ill try to dig it up and post it.

Lowering your DHT levels will cause some libido effects and possibly kill some of the effictiveness of the Steroid. To what degree... each person is different. You just have to justify (is your hair worth it?). I have been taking propecia for years... when i cycle i do it all by the book. But i never seem to get the 20lbs gains that some do. Lucky for me i am very lean, so even 15lbs looks good on me. The only thing i can contribute it to is the dht blocker. My hair is more important right now... Thats just me though... :afro:
 
How is a weaker form of DNT harder on the hair than deca ? Proscar and Propecia reduce DHT testoeterone . That's what attacks the hair if you have the genetic sustability to balding. I can see why there could be less anabolic effects if using Propesia / Proscar. I use 5 mg Proscar a day when on cycle and have a full head of hair and the anabolic effects on my muscle system are DRAMATIC.
 
Don't forget about taking 100 mg of zinc a day and plenty of Saw Palmetto they fight the conversion of DHT Testosterone too. I use them both.
 
detroit said:
I read a post on Anabolic Review that proves this theory not to be true. Ill try to dig it up and post it.

Lowering your DHT levels will cause some libido effects and possibly kill some of the effictiveness of the Steroid. To what degree... each person is different. You just have to justify (is your hair worth it?). I have been taking propecia for years... when i cycle i do it all by the book. But i never seem to get the 20lbs gains that some do. Lucky for me i am very lean, so even 15lbs looks good on me. The only thing i can contribute it to is the dht blocker. My hair is more important right now... Thats just me though... :afro:


Please do - I would be interested in seeing that.

I didn't mention the effects propecia would have on the test - but yes, test would lose some of its androgenicity since there is a reduced conversion to dht.
 
bro, If you are only using Deca then yes propecia is not a good idea,without getting to technical. If you are using deca with test then it's fine. It's in one of the stickeys I will try to find it for ya!
 
i think i might just get rid of the deca and just use EQ i guess....
 
detroit said:
I read a post on Anabolic Review that proves this theory not to be true. Ill try to dig it up and post it.

Lowering your DHT levels will cause some libido effects and possibly kill some of the effictiveness of the Steroid. To what degree... each person is different. You just have to justify (is your hair worth it?). I have been taking propecia for years... when i cycle i do it all by the book. But i never seem to get the 20lbs gains that some do. Lucky for me i am very lean, so even 15lbs looks good on me. The only thing i can contribute it to is the dht blocker. My hair is more important right now... Thats just me though... :afro:

have you found the thread yet?
 
Myth ....thats all it ever was. Deca is one of the compounds that isn't hard on your hair to begin with. I will never cycle without finasturide the effects on the prostate could be life long. .....I to have a head of hair I once was balding..........the stuff workks.


PS Deca , Dball and Enth will pul on alot of water you should use Letrozole to keep the estrogen in check and the water off this too will help your hair line.
 
the Lion said:
Myth ....thats all it ever was. Deca is one of the compounds that isn't hard on your hair to begin with. I will never cycle without finasturide the effects on the prostate could be life long. .....I to have a head of hair I once was balding..........the stuff workks.


PS Deca , Dball and Enth will pul on alot of water you should use Letrozole to keep the estrogen in check and the water off this too will help your hair line.


sweet ill look into the Letrozole, but i dont really mind the bloat...for some reason i dont bloat that much...my last cycle i barely ever bloated.
 
dragon06 said:
bump

If proscar doesnt alter deca it will open a world of opportunities for me!!!!

i always wanted to try deca....but by the looks of it...i dont wanna be wasting my money on my propecia....looks like im turing back to EQ then.
 
From known scammer, but a scammer that knows his stuff


Originally Posted by einstein1905
"I heard you can't use finasteride with deca"
Without fail, you'll hear this statement at least once a month.

First off, let me preface this by saying that this is true, in certain contexts.
However, I'm an advocate of including testosterone in every cycle, so my explanation is with the assumption that one will be using nandrolone in addition to testosterone

For those that do not know, testosterone converts to DHT via the 5 alpha reductase enzyme. DHT is far more androgenic than testosterone and is the main contributor to MPB in those genetically predisposed.

Finasteride is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor, and therefore limits the conversion of testosterone to DHT via competitive inhibition.

Nandrolone itself is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor (although it yields DHN in the process). So less DHT is produced if nandrolone is present. Also, DHN is much less androgenic than nandrolone and much less androgenic than DHT. So, finasteride with deca (nandrolone) should both work to reduce DHT levels, and since finasteride will inhibit 5a reductase, it'll also keep levels of DHN lower too.

The misconception that deca with finasteride is a bad combination stems from the the days when deca only cycles were more common (often referred to as the days before jason updated the AR homepage cycles ) If one were running a deca only cycle (or any deca cycle without test), then finasteride would be a poor choice, because DHN is less androgenic than nandrolone. However, since we're assuming test to be included in a deca cycle, and both test and DHT are far more androgenic than nandrolone, if your goal is preventing the formation of the most androgenic compounds, then both deca and finasteride work together to reduce DHT formation.

To sum things up, if you're running a test + deca cycle and are worried about MPB (and you're susceptible), then including finasteride is a far better option than NOT including it, although the nandrolone will help to reduce DHT formation on its own to some extent.

This doesn't touch on the many positive effects of DHT (libido, muscle hardness, decreased SHBG and therefore increased bioavailable AAS).....this is only in the context of preventing hairloss.
 
RRAdam said:
From known scammer, but a scammer that knows his stuff


Originally Posted by einstein1905
"I heard you can't use finasteride with deca"
Without fail, you'll hear this statement at least once a month.

First off, let me preface this by saying that this is true, in certain contexts.
However, I'm an advocate of including testosterone in every cycle, so my explanation is with the assumption that one will be using nandrolone in addition to testosterone

For those that do not know, testosterone converts to DHT via the 5 alpha reductase enzyme. DHT is far more androgenic than testosterone and is the main contributor to MPB in those genetically predisposed.

Finasteride is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor, and therefore limits the conversion of testosterone to DHT via competitive inhibition.

Nandrolone itself is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor (although it yields DHN in the process). So less DHT is produced if nandrolone is present. Also, DHN is much less androgenic than nandrolone and much less androgenic than DHT. So, finasteride with deca (nandrolone) should both work to reduce DHT levels, and since finasteride will inhibit 5a reductase, it'll also keep levels of DHN lower too.

The misconception that deca with finasteride is a bad combination stems from the the days when deca only cycles were more common (often referred to as the days before jason updated the AR homepage cycles ) If one were running a deca only cycle (or any deca cycle without test), then finasteride would be a poor choice, because DHN is less androgenic than nandrolone. However, since we're assuming test to be included in a deca cycle, and both test and DHT are far more androgenic than nandrolone, if your goal is preventing the formation of the most androgenic compounds, then both deca and finasteride work together to reduce DHT formation.

To sum things up, if you're running a test + deca cycle and are worried about MPB (and you're susceptible), then including finasteride is a far better option than NOT including it, although the nandrolone will help to reduce DHT formation on its own to some extent.

This doesn't touch on the many positive effects of DHT (libido, muscle hardness, decreased SHBG and therefore increased bioavailable AAS).....this is only in the context of preventing hairloss.


fuuuuck yeahhhh.....so i guess im gunna stick to the DECA....does everyone agree to this?
 
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