protien shake and carbs

[nick c]

ok I have heard whey hits your system in 30mins. complex carbs 2 hours and simples 1hr. If this is correct then I should eat simple carbs a 30mins before ingesting a protien shake(which kinds if this is true?). I know I am probably off on my #s but any info will be appreciated.

this is how I have been doing my diet.

7 am meal 1:small bowl kellogs smart start. shake w/ bannana(50gs of protien)

9 am meal 2: diet bar 10g pro. 16g carbs 5gs fat.

11:30 am meal3:chicken breast, vegs and shake(25g of protien)

2:15 pm meal 4: shake w/bannana

3:30 pm meal 5:tuna fillet w/ veggies(shake 25gs of protien)

5:30workout

8:00pm pwo meal6: chicken breast w/ rice(shake 25gs of protien)

10:30 meal 7: shake w/ bannana 50g of protien

FYI
glutamine is taken with meals 1,4 and 7. I am on t-3(100mcgs ed) , eca(200caf, 25eph,300asp, 3times daily), tren@75mgs ed, winstrol 100 mgs ed

thanks for any input

 

[GymLift]

I haven't done any research on this, but no way does it take dextrose (which is the same as blood sugar, I believe) an hour to hit the blood stream. It is more like minutes, if that.

 

[GymLift]

I don't really have much to say about that diet plan, except that I would replace the before-bed meal with cottage cheese or casein protein or meat and leave out any sugars (like the sugars in banannas) since you are apparently cutting.

 

[athiktos]

Yeah mranak is right. Dextrose is a form of glucose or blood sugar. it is considered a monosaccharid which is a single molecule of carbohydrate. This is the most simple form of carbohydrate and i also do not believe that it takes 1 hr. to enter the system. I mean, i think of it in a diabetic situation. I think it takes about 15 min. for it to enter into the system. I'm pretty sure about that, someone correct me if im wrong.

 

[PARKER27]

First off...you're drinking 6 shakes out of 7 meals,I know you have 8 listed however A protein bar with 15 grams doesn't count for a meal.The biggest mistake you're making is waiting until 8pm PWO to feed your body,keep in mind that PWO is when your insulin levels have peaked-hands down the most important meal of the day...You need to get a whey protein powder that has more than 25grams per serving...throughout the day 25g will work however you need at least 40grams PWO IMO. B.S.N. makes a great gainer that won't make you fat..it has 45g protein & 75g carbs(dextrose)it will take no longer than 25min to hit!Or just do O.N protein and some carb powder...I think the good fats from the BSN would be beneficial and believe me the T3 won't let you store bad fat anyway. I would cut the shake intake to no more than 3 to 4...blowout the protein bar because you're not bulking and PBars are full of high fructose corn syrup which is horrible for gettin shredded<if you need to eat replace it with a clif bar and some cottage cheese. Try to stay away from starchy carbs until after your workout so you keep your energy levels idol through the day... 45min prior to workout put down a shake and a banana(quick carbs) so you get a good boost of energy and your insulin levels rise! GO HARD and make sure you get your PWO shake within 15-20min for best results! BEST OF LUCK

 

[Suareezay]

You need to get a whey protein powder that has more than 25grams per serving

Serving size is one scoop. You cant fit more than ~25g of protein into a scoop. Protein per serving is irrelevant.

 

[adidamps2]

First off...you're drinking 6 shakes out of 7 meals,I know you have 8 listed however

his diet says he has a protien shake w/real meals through out the day...not having shakes for a meal...nothing wrong with drinking that many shakes if one can afford to keep up with it.

as far as his PWO meal he says he works out at 5:30 PWO 8PM thats only like 2 1/2 hrs...seems to be about right if he works out for a lil over 2 hrs..

also why doesnt a protien bar count as meal? i count everything i eat as a meal...1oz almonds 4 hard boiled egg whites = meals for me...

by the way why a shake and banana prework out? and starchy carbs post work? LGI carbs are much better prework out..like oat meal or whole wheat bread, along with some eggs or maybe a shake...you want longer lasting carbs to help power you through a work out, not quick acting carbs that you burn through so fast, that you have no energy for a work out half way through it.

 

[PARKER27]

Serving size is one scoop. You cant fit more than ~25g of protein into a scoop. Protein per serving is irrelevant.

you're correct....ofcourse you can increase the protein intake by adding another scoop however if you add another scoop you need to also double whatever you're mixing the protein with if you want to get the right consistency.It doesn't make sense to me....I rather save money and use a blend that delivers more protein per serving.

 

[PARKER27]

his diet says he has a protien shake w/real meals through out the day...not having shakes for a meal...nothing wrong with drinking that many shakes if one can afford to keep up with it.

as far as his PWO meal he says he works out at 5:30 PWO 8PM thats only like 2 1/2 hrs...seems to be about right if he works out for a lil over 2 hrs..

also why doesnt a protien bar count as meal? i count everything i eat as a meal...1oz almonds 4 hard boiled egg whites = meals for me...

by the way why a shake and banana prework out? and starchy carbs post work? LGI carbs are much better prework out..like oat meal or whole wheat bread, along with some eggs or maybe a shake...you want longer lasting carbs to help power you through a work out, not quick acting carbs that you burn through so fast, that you have no energy for a work out half way through it.

1.Please explain the logic behind drinking a shake with every meal.A)It's a complete waste of money. B)If the meal plan calls for chicken/fish which will give 35g protein adding another 25g would give 60g...your body can't use 60g of protein through one sitting. 2. that's ridiculous to compare...protein bar & banana=meal>protein bar & carbo force=meal>protein bar by itself=something to eat, hardly a meal. 3) 2 1/2 hours of training...that's asking to go catabolic..you have to agree with that? 4) I don't even want to get methodical on what foods to eat,what time to eat,and what foods to eat with certain foods.I'll put it simple...you show me 1 person that eats oatmeal before a workout and I'll show you 100 that don't! P.S. never was I trying to flame NICK C...I just felt the meal plan needed adjustments.

 

[adidamps2]

1.Please explain the logic behind drinking a shake with every meal.A)It's a complete waste of money. B)If the meal plan calls for chicken/fish which will give 35g protein adding another 25g would give 60g...your body can't use 60g of protein through one sitting.
i don't have to explain the logic..if one wants to consume a shake with every meal that is on that individual..they take in as much protien as they like..and your WRONG about how much your body can assimilate protien wise. your body can use/assimilate much more than 40g a meal..that is old school thinking and has been proven wrong already

2. that's ridiculous to compare...protein bar & banana=meal>protein bar & carbo force=meal>protein bar by itself=something to eat, hardly a meal.
ONE can count any thing they like as a meal..i ussually count anything that covers all three food catagories as a meal, protien/carb/fat=meal...protien bar has all of those = meal then..besides whats the differnce beween your protien bar and carbo force and a protien bar with a banana?


3) 2 1/2 hours of training...that's asking to go catabolic..you have to agree with that?
no sorry disagree, i use a full body work out some times and am in the gym for upto 2-3 hrs some times..i use a protien/carb drink to keep my energy levels up during my work outs..plus a lot of guys on here train that long...its easy to do when you take 5-6 min breaks between heavy sets..


4) I don't even want to get methodical on what foods to eat,what time to eat,and what foods to eat with certain foods.I'll put it simple...you show me 1 person that eats oatmeal before a workout and I'll show you 100 that don't!
thats fine with me...

P.S. never was I trying to flame NICK C...I just felt the meal plan needed adjustments.

good to know..i wasn't FLAMING you..i just disagreeing with your disagreement of his meal plan...that is all.

 

[finelysculpted]

[/QUOTE]45min prior to workout put down a shake and a banana(quick carbs) so you get a good boost of energy and your insulin levels rise!


why would you want to have a protein 45 min before your workout??? it takes more blood to digest the protein and your muscles need all the blood they can get for the workout. although, oatmeal, i do think is a good food to have 45 min prior to a workout, its energy is slow and lasting, and requires less blood to digest, so you'll still have energy throughout the duration of your workout and your muscles will have all the blood they need.

 

[PARKER27]

45min prior to workout put down a shake and a banana(quick carbs) so you get a good boost of energy and your insulin levels rise!


why would you want to have a protein 45 min before your workout??? it takes more blood to digest the protein and your muscles need all the blood they can get for the workout. although, oatmeal, i do think is a good food to have 45 min prior to a workout, its energy is slow and lasting, and requires less blood to digest, so you'll still have energy throughout the duration of your workout and your muscles will have all the blood they need.[/QUOTE]
Protein before strenuous activity is essential....the muscle has to be fed while being strained. For the 3rd time....I know oatmeal is slow burning that's why it's most effective in mornings and for recovery.As far as bloodflow goes...when the body needs to breakdown protein etc. your bloodflow neutralizes to digestion it also however increases bloodflow and will dispurse as needed,so in fact it's the right thing to do.

 

[nick c]

about the shakes with a meal, I take o.n.'s gold standard. its 25g of protien per serving. I take it with water. I take it about 30mins after a meal because my chicken breast and fish are only 25g of protien per serving. I am trying to get 50g per meal. adidamps2 is correct I don't get out of the gym until about 7:30 and the drive home plus preperation of meal takes till about 8:00. But I am switching meals 6 and 7. and also instead of bannanas I am going to you 40gs dex.

meal 6: 7:40- protien shake(50gs) with 40gs dex.

meal 7: 8:45-chicken breast and rice

thanks for all the comments guys. feel free to critique more if needed.

 

[GymLift]

...if you add another scoop you need to also double whatever you're mixing the protein with if you want to get the right consistency.

Not necessarily.

 

[GymLift]

your body can't use 60g of protein through one sitting

Not necessarily. Not even likely. Hell, I use three scoops in my protein shakes which is more than 60g.

 

[mister69]

cant use 60 grams in one sitting wow that is the biggest crock of shit. Compare someone who is muscling down protein at every meal as opposed to someone who is takin in 100grams daily because "the body cant use it" i gurarantee u the guy w\the high protein intake is seeing great strength gains in the gym and strength=size.

 

[PARKER27]

cant use 60 grams in one sitting wow that is the biggest crock of shit. Compare someone who is muscling down protein at every meal as opposed to someone who is takin in 100grams daily because "the body cant use it" i gurarantee u the guy w\the high protein intake is seeing great strength gains in the gym and strength=size.

Whoever said anything about 100g daily....to compare those two is stating the obvious.I think 40g per meal-8 meals daily...BAM,you got 320 grams.Keep one thing in mind...everything i said is just my opinion.

 

[mister69]

I hear ya mr. white i am jsut saying that the webmd statement says something like 120grams daily which just doenst work.

Good luck brotha

Whoever said anything about 100g daily....to compare those two is stating the obvious.I think 40g per meal-8 meals daily...BAM,you got 320 grams.Keep one thing in mind...everything i said is just my opinion.