Pushing to faliure bad for increasing lifts each week?

[volatile]

Ive heard that you do not want to push until positive faliure on your sets in order to go up weight/reps each week, apparantly going to positive faliure all the time will lead to training your CNS (central nervous system) to fail, and thus not being able to increase weight/reps each week.

Is this just a load of bolox, it must be right? I always thought in order for a muscle to grow and get stronger u have to push to faliure if not beyond, thus shocking it to think it needs to be bigger/stronger?

LMK your thoughts peeps as this topic is very contraversial, a lot of people seem to agree with both statements :s

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Mark

 

[GymLift]

The CNS is stupid. I mean, yes the CNS can only take so much and sometimes it needs a rest, but I don't buy the argument that you can train the CNS to get used to failure. Whether or not it is okay to go to failure all the time has more to do with the muscles than the CNS. Different people have different opinions on how often you should go to failure (every set, only the last set, etc).

 

[Behemoth]

I don't think going to failure should be avoided like the plague, but you shouldn't do it a lot. It won't kill you.

But no, to grow you definitely do NOT have to push passed failure.

 

[Skrewdriver]

I don't think going to failure should be avoided like the plague, but you shouldn't do it a lot. It won't kill you.

"But no, to grow you definitely do NOT have to push passed failure.

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Why not?

 

[Mudge]

I would ask why first. Many people do not train "past failure." I dont have someone assisting me with dumbell curls or anything of the sort, I dont even have a training partner. Ergo I cannot really train "past failure" unless I start humping shit in the gym, which I do not.

 

[Behemoth]

Why do you need to go to failure? Failure is not muscle related, it is CNS related. You aren't really training your CNS so much as you are training your muscle. Muscles can be constantly loaded, basically, without overtraining, but the CNS can not. So if you go to failure, your CNS is fatigued, which limits how much you can load the muscle, therefore actually hurting your training, since you can't load your muscle up as much. Why spend days recovering from CNS fatigue caused by going to failure when you can just stop short of failure and then work out those days instead?

 

[DADAWG]

the powerlifters at westside barbell avoid/delay cns stress by going to failure but constantly rotating excercises from week to week which in theory fools the cns .

 

["Lil boy"]

training your CNS is a very real thing... look into it ,, read up on it. you can grow just by training your CNS to be able to push more weight. thats what the "X-REP" seems to be ,, pushing the envelope of your CNS and forcing it to addapt.

 

["Lil boy"]

any routine will be ineffective after time. if you lift heavy all the time...not good, if you do high reps all the time..not good. I prefer to mix it up..keep my body guessing. one day I do less sets, more reps, then low rep, less sets. etc... etc..cycle your training. Failure is fine, but, not all the time

agreed !

 

[volatile]

the powerlifters at westside barbell avoid/delay cns stress by going to failure but constantly rotating excercises from week to week which in theory fools the cns .

Yes ive heard of the westside barbell training routines, didnt realise there routines fool the CNS, interesting, I was going to adopt a training routine like westside barbell uses but havnt gotten around to it yet. will definatly look into it,

So guys the moral is, keep training different (keep the body guessing, some days more reps less weight, some days less reps more weights, some days different exercises), dont always push until faliure (just before can still be benefital but still faliure every now and then is definatly a win)??

thanks for the replies guys, LMK what you think to my moral of the story