Raise E2 via Injection Frequency or Test Cyp Dose?

[Jimstigator]

Well it's varied, but the doses corresponding to the labs I posted above... The highest individual dose was 32mg. Over the course of two weeks, every other day, that's 112mg a week. The majority of the time I did 28mg per injection which put me right under 100mg a week.

I am not sure about my latest protocol, but using EOD, 100mg weekly kept my TT 800-930. Perfect for me... Just need the estrogen to get up a little. The 700 readings where on a lower dose of about 80mg a week.

So far, which is only a week in, I really like E3D. For the obvious, less shots, but also seems to feel better. Hopefully it puts E2 in the right range and I can stop playing the game.

-Jim

 

[Jimstigator]

Still fighting the good fight. I am now on 56mg test cyp E3D, which totals 140mg a week. No AI, no HCG. Lab was taken about 36 hours after injection which I perceive to be close to peak.

TT 792 (348-1197)
Sensitive E 15 (3-70)

As far as feel goes - still not great. Feel like I have low E, which this reading confirms.

Almost comical how this is working. I went from ED, to EOD, to E3D injections over the past few months to try and increase estrogen. As frequency decreases, volume per injection increases. I have also added more test cyp total per week. The more frequent injections seem to require much less test cyp to keep TT high. Two months ago, when I was injecting 28mg EOD, my TT was consistently 900 but estrogen was still low.

Any thoughts? I hate to just keep upping test cyp does every few weeks, but maybe thats the answer? Its not like my peak TT of 792 is astronomical by any means. I am going to drop the 50mg of zinc as well.

-Jim

 

[hiram1st]

Still fighting the good fight. I am now on 56mg test cyp E3D, which totals 140mg a week. No AI, no HCG. Lab was taken about 36 hours after injection which I perceive to be close to peak.

TT 792 (348-1197)
Sensitive E 15 (3-70)

As far as feel goes - still not great. Feel like I have low E, which this reading confirms.

Almost comical how this is working. I went from ED, to EOD, to E3D injections over the past few months to try and increase estrogen. As frequency decreases, volume per injection increases. I have also added more test cyp total per week. The more frequent injections seem to require much less test cyp to keep TT high. Two months ago, when I was injecting 28mg EOD, my TT was consistently 900 but estrogen was still low.

Any thoughts? I hate to just keep upping test cyp does every few weeks, but maybe thats the answer? Its not like my peak TT of 792 is astronomical by any means. I am going to drop the 50mg of zinc as well.

-Jim

Will start following this thread. I'm having the same issue. Haven't changed injection days or amounts as much as you have but in the same boat with low E. I don't feel that awful bad but maybe thats because I don't remember what's it like to feel good I had tt levels under 200 now constantly 550 to 750.

Have you started to add HCG to your protocol?

 

[Jimstigator]

No - but only because I don't respond well to HCG. Just had gyno removal surgery to get some of the sensitive tissue out. Now I am scared as hell to add HCG and relive the nightmare. And - my gyno from HCG isn't caused by estrogen... like most. My entire time on HCG, my estrogen was basically rock bottom.

-Jim

 

[hiram1st]

No - but only because I don't respond well to HCG. Just had gyno removal surgery to get some of the sensitive tissue out. Now I am scared as hell to add HCG and relive the nightmare. And - my gyno from HCG isn't caused by estrogen... like most. My entire time on HCG, my estrogen was basically rock bottom.

-Jim

Did hcg affect your tt level?

Gyno not from high e2 but from hcg?
Could you explain that for me?
New to this but I thought if not pubertal gyno that it is e2 based.

Thanks

 

[Jimstigator]

There is more to gyno than just estrogen... but its rarely talked about it in the bro science world. Truth be told - I don't have the answers so if people come in here bashing my theories... well... so be it. I have this single study, that is very interesting. The highlight... "Presence of luteinizing hormone/human chorionic gonadotropin receptors in male breast tissues." "Although the function of these receptors remains to be determined, the findings suggest the possibility that LH and hCG may play a role in the pathogenesis of male breast disorders."

Presence of luteinizing hormone/human chorionic gonadotropin recept... - PubMed - NCBI

I believe my gyno flare, that started a few years back, was due to estrogen or T/E imbalance. But since, it has proven time and time again that it can rage without it. For example - while on HCG, I simultaneously overdosed adex by alot and my sensitive e was <3 for over a month. I could hardly walk my joints hurt so much. Gyno? RAGED. Worst it's grown in years. I added Raloxifene at a substantial dose, which is shown to fight gyno better than all other SERMS - barely helped. I am on-board with that study and believe some male breast tissue, maybe advanced gyno, has LH/hCG receptors... causing the issue. The biggest problem - no one really acknowledges it. People think I am crazy and just tell me over and over to get my estrogen checked... which I do every two weeks.

-Jim

 

[Gbrad]

As a side question, do you take or have you considered taking DHEA and/or pregnenolone? I take HCG and still take DHEA compounded capsules. I would think it would be very important and cost effective add to your therapy especially given the intolerance to HCG.

 

[Jimstigator]

I just started pregenolone tablets a few days ago, but want to move to a quality cream at some point.

The reality is, I care about fertility over all right now. So I have to get on HCG. Just scared.... I literally still have stitches in my chest from gyno removal.

I know my testes/testosterone production functions on Nolvadex (SERMs) fine, I just don't feel as good as when on TRT. And, when I stopped Nolvadex, I fell back to crap almost immediately. Worst case, I could drop TRT for another year and stay on low dose Nolvadex to keep my boys going. Thats worst case though - I am not on TRT for fun. All natural - my TT drops like a rocket.

-Jim

 

[Gbrad]

I hear ya. Had the gyno surgery myself at age 19. Glad I did 21 years later

 

[Megatron28]

Try injecting 140mg once a week. Your TT peaks and troughs will be higher and lower respectively; but this should cause more aromatization. If you use this once per week protocol, injecting hCG once a week would help as well should the change in injection frequency not be enough. Or increase test dosage if still in the normal range.

 

[Jimstigator]

*edit* My bad. Didn't intend to bump this.