red, itchy welts from ansomone injection

[weavy88]

Just like it sounds, only lasts a couple days then subsides. At first i was worried it was an infection but apparently not. It really isn't causing any serious sides or discomfort, just the itching really. Should i be worried? I reconstitute wuth BAC water and inject .45cc sub q.

 

[anzel]

I have heard of it happening with generics.... some say its a normal response in some people and others say its low quality hgh , but how do they know unless they run a GH serum lab. Have you run labs?

 

[weavy88]

I have heard of it happening with generics.... some say its a normal response in some people and others say its low quality hgh , but how do they know unless they run a GH serum lab. Have you run labs?

Yup came back high like 29

 

[anzel]

Yup came back high like 29

Thats good! Maybe its just your own body, physical reaction.

 

[weavy88]

Thats good! Maybe its just your own body, physical reaction.

good to know. Now, would you consider it possible for 192aa to show as HGH in a bloodtest? That's really my only other concern here.

 

[inhaus]

good to know. Now, would you consider it possible for 192aa to show as HGH in a bloodtest? That's really my only other concern here.

yes. and IMO the serum tests are inconclusive. somehow generics are testing higher than any pharma gh would ever so they are either producing a very cheap form of hgh in the generics or they have figured out a way to put some kind of similar compound that mimics serum. IMO doing both a serum and IGF-1 test is the best course of action. One to tell there is hgh or something like hgh in it, then the igf test to shot that it is in fact hgh and it is being processed through the body and creating elevated IGF.

As far as the red spots, it's common with generics. as posted above some say it's from impurities, some say it's a side of 192aa, some say it's "how ya know it's good" I say who the hell knows? It's probably a side effect of one of the cutting agents they put in there or maybe anti diuretics as I don't hear of this happening with pharma stuff.

 

[anzel]

Inhaus, you make some points that I have seen are on other peoples minds on forums including myself so there are alot of skeptics out there.....

But Here is my theory on GH serum testing. If it looks like a duck and it quacks, its a duck. In other word, if someone takes 10iu of HGH and then has a blood sample taken 3-4 hours later and the results are elevated GH serum levels then thats it, your levels are up! So to think that another substance is being used to trick lab work into "thinking" GH serum levels are up doesnt make sense to me. If the lab shows higher numbers then your numbers are just that.

I also am not sure if you can mix an anti diuretic into a vial of HGH without damaging the fragile HGH that would give you elevated GH serum levels. Maybe you can??

Lets suppose someone in CHina is slick enough to concoct a substance that spikes your GH serum levels but its not HGH (lets suspend the idea that this already doesnt make sense ). This other substance would have to be made into a powder and fill a vial in about the same quantity as real HGH and then be reconstituted and dissolve in a way that doesnt look odd. Then you would administer the test dosage and get blood drawn according to the protocol of 3.5 hours later and get results? So this unknown , other chemical, gets you the same results at the same time interval?
Lets say they use a mix of peptides to give you a quick spike. First of all, real peptides cost just as much as real HGH and they are hard to get. Besides that, you dont pin peps and then have your blood drawn at 3-4 hrs later. Usually peps are much faster than that.

Is it 192aa? Can 192aa actually make your GH serum levels rise?

I have read that GH serum test doesnt show you strength or quality of HGH only that HGH is present. IOW , you can have a 10iu vial but with only 1 iu of HGH in it and it will be enough to give you a spike on the GH serum test. The GHserum not being a sign that you have HGH levels through the roof,but only that something has eneterd your system to create a response..... I question this theory because why are people getting different GH serum levels on their bloods??

After saying all that, I am forever a skeptic and I feel its more possible that there are mostly fakes out there and they are the ones that are cheap. I mean how cheap can real HGH be sold for?? At some point it gets ridiculous.

On another note I have talked to people over the years that have used pharma grade and paid alot and they said the price isnt worth it at all. One guy said for fat loss he likes T3 over HGH. Cheaper,quicker,more effective. Another guy I talked to says he likes Tren over HGH for same reasons.

 

[P.S.L.]

Thats good! Maybe its just your own body, physical reaction.

Correct. It's an obvious alergic reaction to GH (any Brand can cause this) - Some ppl react that way , it's an individual system reaction (sometimes shortly after inj. , sometimes much later)

Ansomone is not Generic BRAND , and mention alergic reaction is not dependant on GH being generic or not.

Individual organism reaction is to HGH in general.

Try changing inj. site to shoulders (with slinpin)

 

[juced_porkchop]

Inhaus, you make some points that I have seen are on other peoples minds on forums including myself so there are alot of skeptics out there.....

But Here is my theory on GH serum testing. If it looks like a duck and it quacks, its a duck. In other word, if someone takes 10iu of HGH and then has a blood sample taken 3-4 hours later and the results are elevated GH serum levels then thats it, your levels are up! So to think that another substance is being used to trick lab work into "thinking" GH serum levels are up doesnt make sense to me. If the lab shows higher numbers then your numbers are just that.

I also am not sure if you can mix an anti diuretic into a vial of HGH without damaging the fragile HGH that would give you elevated GH serum levels. Maybe you can??

Lets suppose someone in CHina is slick enough to concoct a substance that spikes your GH serum levels but its not HGH (lets suspend the idea that this already doesnt make sense ). This other substance would have to be made into a powder and fill a vial in about the same quantity as real HGH and then be reconstituted and dissolve in a way that doesnt look odd. Then you would administer the test dosage and get blood drawn according to the protocol of 3.5 hours later and get results? So this unknown , other chemical, gets you the same results at the same time interval?
Lets say they use a mix of peptides to give you a quick spike. First of all, real peptides cost just as much as real HGH and they are hard to get. Besides that, you dont pin peps and then have your blood drawn at 3-4 hrs later. Usually peps are much faster than that.

Is it 192aa? Can 192aa actually make your GH serum levels rise?

I have read that GH serum test doesnt show you strength or quality of HGH only that HGH is present. IOW , you can have a 10iu vial but with only 1 iu of HGH in it and it will be enough to give you a spike on the GH serum test. The GHserum not being a sign that you have HGH levels through the roof,but only that something has eneterd your system to create a response..... I question this theory because why are people getting different GH serum levels on their bloods??

After saying all that, I am forever a skeptic and I feel its more possible that there are mostly fakes out there and they are the ones that are cheap. I mean how cheap can real HGH be sold for?? At some point it gets ridiculous.

On another note I have talked to people over the years that have used pharma grade and paid alot and they said the price isnt worth it at all. One guy said for fat loss he likes T3 over HGH. Cheaper,quicker,more effective. Another guy I talked to says he likes Tren over HGH for same reasons.

could be impurities, other peptides like ghrp, its not as simple as just higher HGH levels in a simple blood test... alot just put easier to make peps in there at times.

 

[inhaus]

i didn't see the ansomone part, i didn't think the OP said what it was and I was just assuming it to be generics. I don't know anything about ansomone so don't take my comment to be reflective of ansomone.

and to my understanding the mystery hgh that people are rumoring to be in there actually is hgh, it's just damaged or incomplete chain making it ineffective meaning you will get high serum just like regular hgh but your body will not process it and elevate igf. IMO the only way to accurately test if there is hgh and it is active is to do both the serum and igf test.

 

[weavy88]

i didn't see the ansomone part, i didn't think the OP said what it was and I was just assuming it to be generics. I don't know anything about ansomone so don't take my comment to be reflective of ansomone.

and to my understanding the mystery hgh that people are rumoring to be in there actually is hgh, it's just damaged or incomplete chain making it ineffective meaning you will get high serum just like regular hgh but your body will not process it and elevate igf. IMO the only way to accurately test if there is hgh and it is active is to do both the serum and igf test.

interesting. What do you mean damaged or incomplete? Consider the molecular weight of HGH is 22.124K daltons. If at any point it fragmented into two or more smaller chains, then how would it show up as HGH under mass spec? Because obviously the fragments would be much lighter. Anyway, I agree that IGF-1 levels should be measured, and i plan to do just that. Do you think that 6 weeks @ 6iu/day would be sufficient?

 

[anzel]

i didn't see the ansomone part, i didn't think the OP said what it was and I was just assuming it to be generics. I don't know anything about ansomone so don't take my comment to be reflective of ansomone.

and to my understanding the mystery hgh that people are rumoring to be in there actually is hgh, it's just damaged or incomplete chain making it ineffective meaning you will get high serum just like regular hgh but your body will not process it and elevate igf. IMO the only way to accurately test if there is hgh and it is active is to do both the serum and igf test.

inhaus, Im just looking for complete info on this subject, so how did you come about this info that its hgh that is incomplete or damaged? And how does it cause HGH Serum levels to rise if it is damaged??

 

[anzel]

interesting. What do you mean damaged or incomplete? Consider the molecular weight of HGH is 22.124K daltons. If at any point it fragmented into two or more smaller chains, then how would it show up as HGH under mass spec? Because obviously the fragments would be much lighter. Anyway, I agree that IGF-1 levels should be measured, and i plan to do just that. Do you think that 6 weeks @ 6iu/day would be sufficient?

Are you going to be taking any AAS along with the GH? Do you have a baseline?

 

[inhaus]

interesting. What do you mean damaged or incomplete? Consider the molecular weight of HGH is 22.124K daltons. If at any point it fragmented into two or more smaller chains, then how would it show up as HGH under mass spec? Because obviously the fragments would be much lighter. Anyway, I agree that IGF-1 levels should be measured, and i plan to do just that. Do you think that 6 weeks @ 6iu/day would be sufficient?

It was discussed on another forum, I don't want to pretend to be an expert in it but it was explained like the hgh can be crudely made by UGLs and be ineffective in the body yet technically hgh. something about the chain being hgh but dead hgh if that makes sense. I can scrounge for the read, but I honestly don't have the time at the moment because I'm about to walk out the door for a doctors appt.

IMO I have adopted some variation of this theory ^ because it is insanely expensive and difficult to produce hgh. There are only two options for generics, they are either producing a crude form that is less effective, or they are cutting pharma hgh to make it cost effective. Since it tests higher in serum than pharma I doubt the latter is the case and something else is going on. Maybe they have found a way to produce a cheaper less effective hgh that they have to put a ton more of in which would result in lesser effects with a higher serum test (best case scenario) or they have found a way to create a dead or ineffective mimic of the hgh chain that isn't doing much of anything and mixing it with peptides like igf or others...


Frankly I don't know what the fek is going on with generics but for the time being anything I am going to invest in long term will be tested with serum AND igf-1 tests as well as my anecdotal results and side effects.

 

[weavy88]

another thing that confuses me is why people consider HGH as living or dead. By definition, since it cannot reproduce itself, it is dead. The lowest level of life is at the cellular levels, and HGH is something that binds to receptors WITHIN a cell.

 

[weavy88]

But nonetheless, these are all interesting theories. I will post some IGF-1 results when i get them. But no one answered my question; is 6 weeks long enough for igf-1 test?

 

[PrinceDianabol]

It was discussed on another forum, I don't want to pretend to be an expert in it but it was explained like the hgh can be crudely made by UGLs and be ineffective in the body yet technically hgh. something about the chain being hgh but dead hgh if that makes sense. I can scrounge for the read, but I honestly don't have the time at the moment because I'm about to walk out the door for a doctors appt.

IMO I have adopted some variation of this theory ^ because it is insanely expensive and difficult to produce hgh. There are only two options for generics, they are either producing a crude form that is less effective, or they are cutting pharma hgh to make it cost effective. Since it tests higher in serum than pharma I doubt the latter is the case and something else is going on. Maybe they have found a way to produce a cheaper less effective hgh that they have to put a ton more of in which would result in lesser effects with a higher serum test (best case scenario) or they have found a way to create a dead or ineffective mimic of the hgh chain that isn't doing much of anything and mixing it with peptides like igf or others...


Frankly I don't know what the fek is going on with generics but for the time being anything I am going to invest in long term will be tested with serum AND igf-1 tests as well as my anecdotal results and side effects.

I believe what you're talking about here is that HGH must be recombinantly synthesized (produce by bacterial enzymes) etc. as opposed to trying to produce it normally. Only recombinantly made peptides will have an effect in the body.

another thing that confuses me is why people consider HGH as living or dead. By definition, since it cannot reproduce itself, it is dead. The lowest level of life is at the cellular levels, and HGH is something that binds to receptors WITHIN a cell.

"Dead" HGH might be referring to that fact that we used to source all HGH from dead bodies. Yup, cadavers were our first source

 

[inhaus]

But nonetheless, these are all interesting theories. I will post some IGF-1 results when i get them. But no one answered my question; is 6 weeks long enough for igf-1 test?

I wen't through the same question and was given an answer of undoubtedly yes, that the levels would be elevated after a week of use for the igf test and certainly after 2-3 weeks. This is all 2nd hand info from others on the forum though so take that for what it's worth. I was planning on doing 3-5 days of 10iu/day followed by a serum and igf-1 test 3 hours after the last injection.

 

[anzel]

But nonetheless, these are all interesting theories. I will post some IGF-1 results when i get them. But no one answered my question; is 6 weeks long enough for igf-1 test?

Are you taking AAS along with the HGH and do you have a baseline????

 

[weavy88]

Are you taking AAS along with the HGH and do you have a baseline????

yes taking 400mg npp, cruising dose of test (200), and 40mg dbol for first 30 days. I do not have an hgh baseline.