Restart story after 20 weeks on TRT

ezed413 said:
I decided to try 6 pumps this morning, and I have to tell you I feel great! I don't know if it is this the reason, or if it is because the Wellbutrin I have been taking for 5 days is kicking in. I am going to do it again tomorrow. Damn, after 5 1/2 months, I actually feel something!
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what if you run out of gel before next refill ?
You were being dicked around all this time my friend.
Either your doc is incompetent or purposely low dosing you so you give up on the treatment before it actually works.
Then they can say: "see it's all in your head...Testosterone is over rated".
I've seen one too many stunts pulled like this in my lifetime by docs.
 
APOLLON said:
what if you run out of gel before next refill ?
You were being dicked around all this time my friend.
Either your doc is incompetent or purposely low dosing you so you give up on the treatment before it actually works.
Then they can say: "see it's all in your head...Testosterone is over rated".
I've seen one too many stunts pulled like this in my lifetime by docs.
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I was thinking of that, running out. I am going to try 6 tomorrow to see if I get the same results. If I do, I'm calling him up to write me a new script. Great thing about it is, I was paying $10 for two bottles of it. I don't think my doctor would dick me around, as he is on TRT himself. But boy did I feel damned good today! So this is what higher T feels like, damn, I don't know why he started me on such a low dose. I swear I was ready to throw the towel in, as I figured, I am at 800, and I still don't feel anything! But apparently I need more.
 
bbbjames said:
Poked today, results in 3 days or so.
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Yeah but how did you feel during this month of clomid ?
did you take nolva to ?
what was energy, workouts, libido, confidence like while restarting ?
Ideally you want more bloodwork 1 month from now and another a month later to see where u stay.
 
This was a mild restart, I mean 1000ius of hcg twice per week with arimidex for 5 weeks then clomid solo at 50mgs for a month.
Interested in your results.

As Apollon stated, this is just a pit stop blood work to see where you're at at the peak of your recovery.
Need to get blood work again 6-8 weeks from your last dosage to see if numbers hold.

All the best though, starting my restart in a few days :)
 
APOLLON said:
Yeah but how did you feel during this month of clomid ?
did you take nolva to ?
what was energy, workouts, libido, confidence like while restarting ?
Ideally you want more bloodwork 1 month from now and another a month later to see where u stay.
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I felt pretty good during the restart. I didn't take Nolva. I plan on getting more bloodwork in 8 weeks or so. Energy was good, workouts good but i did notice a decrease in stamina and maybe a little in strength, libido was good, and confidence was ok. When I was on test all of these things I described above were amazing. I'll take good for now and see where it goes. I'll post the labs when I get them.
 
how long were you off clomid for these labs we are waiting for here now ?
When you bridged/merged the restart protocol...(making the adjustment from the HCG to the SERM phase)...
how far into the clomid did you stay on adex for ?
a week or so ?
 
I took my last clomid on Tuesday and got labs today. I started clomid four days after my last HCG injection. I took my last dose of anastrozole with my last HCG injection.
 
bbbjames said:
I took my last clomid on Tuesday and got labs today. I started clomid four days after my last HCG injection. I took my last dose of anastrozole with my last HCG injection.
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did u feel any estrogen rebound ?
Did u know/test what your TT, or Bio Avail. T was before beginning SERM therapy ?
U take the ADEX on the days u shoot HCG ?
You find that works best for you ?
Same time as HCG injection or just within the same day ?
 
APOLLON said:
did u feel any estrogen rebound ?
Did u know/test what your TT, or Bio Avail. T was before beginning SERM therapy ?
U take the ADEX on the days u shoot HCG ?
You find that works best for you ?
Same time as HCG injection or just within the same day ?
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I didn't feel an estrogen rebound. I got blood work the last week of my HCG mono therapy and it was somewhere around 530-540 TT (I think I listed it in this thread). I did ADEX the same time as HCG. Plan was to take it same day but I just did it all at once.
 
APOLLON said:
did u feel any estrogen rebound ?
Did u know/test what your TT, or Bio Avail. T was before beginning SERM therapy ?
U take the ADEX on the days u shoot HCG ?
You find that works best for you ?
Same time as HCG injection or just within the same day ?
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Check out my opening post to the thread
 
bbbjames said:
Check out my opening post to the thread
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I see....
550 ng/dl roughly.
Any increase in load size with clomid or hcg ??
no depression to report while you were on 50 mg/day ?
Did balls reach full size after HCG was run or did they come back to more of their size while on clomid ?
 
jomamma007 said:
Clomid should boost your numbers fairly high, hopefully they stick.
If you can afford it I'd get bloods every 4-6 weeks after stopping clomid.
I finished restart with clomid with a total T of 1116, but eventually fell to 348 after 3 months, so you need to keep up the blood work!
good luck
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Can I do a restart on clomid only? I have been on androgel 6 months. Baseline was 400 before starting. If so, what is a good protocol? 6 months and it has done nothing for libido. If anything, it's made it worse.
 
ezed413 said:
Jomomma, is there a possibility that my system would restart on its own? Without anything at all? Or is this a bad idea.
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Some can recover without taking anything, but the likelihood is slim.
This is your health here, why take any chances.

Who knows, the restart might even leave you above your 400 baseline, depending on the cause for your Low T in the first place.
It's more then worth a few hundred dollars.
 
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jomamma007 said:
Some can recover without taking anything, but the likelihood is slim.
This is your health here, why take any chances.

Who knows, the restart might even leave you above your 400 baseline, depending on the cause for your Low T in the first place.
It's more then worth a few hundred dollars.
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Cause I guess is low production of LH. I do know I respond very good to clomid. Was able to get my T up to 900 with it a few years ago.
 
ezed413 said:
Cause I guess is low production of LH. I do know I respond very good to clomid. Was able to get my T up to 900 with it a few years ago.
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How long were you on clomid?
A restart could be beneficial. Some guys just need a few months of clomid to get things going again.

Have you ruled out thyroid and adrenal problems?Sleep apnea?
 
jomamma007 said:
How long were you on clomid?
A restart could be beneficial. Some guys just need a few months of clomid to get things going again.

Have you ruled out thyroid and adrenal problems?Sleep apnea?
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My TRT doc checked my adrenals a few months ago, and yes, my DHEA was real low. He had me start taking pregnenolone. My TSH was in normal range. I had a sleep study done 8 years ago, and I have sleep apnea. I used the machine for three weeks, couldn't take it.
 
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