SARM for vascularity and hardness

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hallo.i was thinking of addin to my 900 mg 11 keto cycle a SARM,i dont want any gains,but i want more vascularity-hardness.(im already low bf).can u guys suggest a SARM to achieve my goal and where to buy it?thanks.
 
i have in mind the s4,im a little afraid of the vision side effect though.would i see any results at 50 mg dosage?or should i use more?
 
11 keto didn't do much for me. I have considered S4 but I'm concerned about it's effect on M1 receptors in other areas of the body beside the eyes. I would love to try the stuff but I'm very cautious about my health.
 
pdelta said:
11 keto didn't do much for me. I have considered S4 but I'm concerned about it's effect on M1 receptors in other areas of the body beside the eyes. I would love to try the stuff but I'm very cautious about my health.
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i have same concerns..how much mg did u dose 11 keto?
 
Im using 50mg S-4 and I am having vision sides, I have seen good effects as far as hardness and strength, but night vision sucks and the absolute worst is eyes adjusting from a bright to dim light. For me the pros out weigh the vision issues, but they are most def. there
 
I used PA's 11-OXO formulation at like 50-60 sprays/day. I used three bottles in a row. It has poor bioavailability orally. Some people love the stuff. If cortisol is your problem it may help but I don't think it is a very strong anabolic.
 
My vision sides on 50 mg of Unique S4 5 days a week are noticable, but not horrible.
As barnzy said, the worst is the slooooow dim light adjustment of your eyes.
To be fair though, I am not convinced yet that the positive effects of S4 aren't just placebo...
 
Noob84 said:
My vision sides on 50 mg of Unique S4 5 days a week are noticable, but not horrible.
As barnzy said, the worst is the slooooow dim light adjustment of your eyes.
To be fair though, I am not convinced yet that the positive effects of S4 aren't just placebo...
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I love the effects of S4.......And the S4 I took was certainly not placebo. I would say it has high dose anavar effect to me.
 
For vascularity and hardness S4 would be a solid addition and I'm in agreement that the pros outweigh the cons. This last time I ran it at 75mg per day 7 days a week. I think this next time through I'm going to just stick to 50mg and go 5 on/2 off. I never had the night vision issues, or any yellow tint for that matter, but the lengthy adjustment period going from natural light to flourescent light is definitely prevalent. I'm kind of a sicko, but actually kind of enjoyed this "side effect" until the last week or so and then I was kind of looking forward to adjusting to light like normal. I won't be running it again for about 6 weeks out from now, but I gotta say I kind of miss it (Though I'm enjoying GW right now)!
 
S4 all day as said. Slowly taper up on the dose and you ll be okay with vision. The key is slowly.

Also ur first wk on it do 5on/2off.


Jumping into hi doses is what gives the yellow hue and what not.
 
Bootstomper said:
For vascularity and hardness S4 would be a solid addition and I'm in agreement that the pros outweigh the cons. This last time I ran it at 75mg per day 7 days a week. I think this next time through I'm going to just stick to 50mg and go 5 on/2 off. I never had the night vision issues, or any yellow tint for that matter, but the lengthy adjustment period going from natural light to flourescent light is definitely prevalent. I'm kind of a sicko, but actually kind of enjoyed this "side effect" until the last week or so and then I was kind of looking forward to adjusting to light like normal. I won't be running it again for about 6 weeks out from now, but I gotta say I kind of miss it (Though I'm enjoying GW right now)!
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I agree completely. When I first tried SarmsSearch S4 I never looked back. My favorite sarm hands down
 
I would love to try S4 but it affects M1 receptors throughout the body. That kinda worries me. I know vision returns to normal pretty quickly so maybe other areas do to.
 
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S4 is the bomb. By far my favorite SARM. It does produce vision sides, yes, but they're not particularly noticeable unless you're a night driver, etc, (in which case you mos def want to be careful). But good thing about S4 is that your vision will normalize after you go off. Very quickly back to normal, so don't worry about irreversibility.

I'm curious about 11-keto. How suppressive is it compared to other prohormones (epi-strong, hella, katana, etc)? I'm wondering about adding it to my sarms cut
 
WittgensteinNephew said:
S4 is the bomb. By far my favorite SARM. It does produce vision sides, yes, but they're not particularly noticeable unless you're a night driver, etc, (in which case you mos def want to be careful). But good thing about S4 is that your vision will normalize after you go off. Very quickly back to normal, so don't worry about irreversibility.

I'm curious about 11-keto. How suppressive is it compared to other prohormones (epi-strong, hella, katana, etc)? I'm wondering about adding it to my sarms cut
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11-keto is super mild, yo... Has to be run at pretty high dosages to make it effective, but definitely a solid addition for a cut... I've been running really high dosed topical 11-OXO (mrsupps xosterone) with Gw and dig the combo.
 
Bootstomper said:
11-keto is super mild, yo... Has to be run at pretty high dosages to make it effective, but definitely a solid addition for a cut... I've been running really high dosed topical 11-OXO (mrsupps xosterone) with Gw and dig the combo.
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Dang not a bad combo at all. Can't go wrong with MrSupps products that's for sure. And I've heard awesome feedback on the xosterone.
 
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