Second Cycle - Early Planning

al5n

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LONG POST ALERT - going to try to be as detailed as possible.

Hi all. Thanks for reading.

I'm currently one week post PCT from Cycle one and I'm already getting the itch to get back on, I've been stock piling goodies ready for my next run and the time has come to put pen to paper and plan it out, I don't plan to start for a while yet though.

About me
Age: 23 - I know some of you will say that I am still young to be using aas however before my last cycle I spent many days weighing up the pros and cons and came to the conclusion that I would like to have the benefits at this age and worry about any potential problems when I'm older when (moreso if) they occur.

Height: 5'7

Weight: 190lbs

Body type: Endo

BF: 19% - Yes I was stupid in starting my last cycle with such high BF. I plan to get this down to around the 12-14% area before starting cycle 2. I am however scared that cutting down without the use of gear now may cost me the gains I made while on gear. Does anyone have any thoughts about that? Either way it has to be done, I want to make sure I do this cycle right.

Training: 4 years, currently I aim to do 2 on 1 off with a muscle group split routine, sometimes I go more often, sometime I miss a day if I feel too fatigued, I enjoy my training so I just sort of flow along with it and take the bumps in the road as they come.

Goals: Attain a large, muscular, lean physique. I dont really have a set target or stopping point, I just enjoy making/seeing gains.


Previous Cycle

1-12 Test E 250mg 2 x weekly (500mg total)
1-3 Dbol 40mg
4 - Dbol 30mg - Lower dosage seemed to prevent painful pumps
9-13 Dbol 30mg

PCT - Clomid 50mg/day for 4 weeks starting from 14 days after last shot of test.

I ran Adex for the first few weeks but then dropped it, saw no signs of gyno throughout. Only sides I had were occasional night sweats, bacne and worst of all joint pain.

I got a lot of joint pain from around week 7 or 8 through to the end of the cycle, it's gone now though. It was so bad in my knees (previous full dislocation in one and they have never felt that strong at the best of times) that I had to at first remove leg day and then eventually stop deadlifting as well, I feel like that really ruined the cycle, I was very pleased with gains elsewhere though.

I loved the Dbol, I'd eat those sexy little things every morning for the rest of my life if I could, my best gains were definately made while on the Dbol.

The Test was good to but it wasn't as in-your-face as I expected, from what I'd read I was expecting to feel like a god amonst men but in retrospect maybe due to my age it wasn't as major a change in levels as it would be to someone a bit older with lower natural T levels. I definately noticed increased libido though, and so did the girlfriend.

Start weight was 170lbs, peak was 196lbs and I currenly sit post PCT at 190lbs, virtually no change in BF%. Over all I am pleased with the results.

The Stash

Test E - 22 x 1ml 250mg/ml
Test C - 4 x 10ml 250mg/ml
Deca - 3 x 10ml 250mg/ml
Dbol - Plenty
HCG - 2 x 5000iu
Adex - 45 x 1mg
Prami - 1 x 60ml 1mg/ml
Letro - 1 x 30ml 2.5mg/ml
Clomid - 8 x 10 50mg
Clen - 50 x 40mg - Used it in the past, did not like it, just leftovers

That is a list of what I currently have to hand, I'm sure that I could make 2 or more cycles from all of it, I don't plan to take it all in one go. It may seem a little weird, especially the amount of test that I have but the reason for that is the E was left over from cycle 1, my source accidentally (I can only assume) shipped my order twice and I ordered the C to see if I have any preference between the two. I'll make sure the E gets used up in cycle 3!



Cycle 2

This is just a rough draft, comments and critisisms are more than welcome, afterall that is what I'm posting this for.

1-14 Test C 750mg
1-12 Deca 375mg
1-4 Dbol 40mg/day

My reason for using deca in this cycle is because I've read about how good it can be for joint pain, as joint pain was such a big issue with my first cycle I think this is important. I've also upped the dose of test compared to my first cycle, this is for 2 reasons, firstly to keep it comfortably above the deca dosage to help prevent deca dick and secondly because I'm under the impression that it may give me better gains. Dbol because....I love it.

For PCT I am just planning to use clomid again.

As an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) I have Adex to add in to the mix if neccessary, Letro if it gets that far. For prolactin I've got the Prami, again I was only planning to use it if I feel like I need to. Is this the right way to go about things or should I use Adex and Prami throughout the entire cycle regardless of sides? Either way what dosages would you recomend?


I think that that is all for now, I would really appreciate you more experienced aas users answering my questions and also adding in any more info that you think that I could benefit from. Support or critisism it's all good.

Sorry for the long post, just thought it was best to add in as much info as possible. Massive thank you for reading.
 
I'm curious on the feedback - that is almost the exact plan I've had for my 2nd cycle.

I'll leave out the details ... "please keep us posted."
 
Uhm one thing confuses me right there. You say you took 2x 250mg of Test E in your first cycle ? That equals 250mg and not 500mg. Test E will pass its half life after a couple of days, so when you shoot 250 again past its half life it just goes back up 250mg. Unless your injections werent too far apart.

All in all good first cycle. You took Dbol for 13 weeks ? Thats a lot, never known anyone who did. But apperantly it did you good. Gotta love the Bol!

2nd cycle looks good too. Might wanna add Proviron in the end to lean up a bit more.
I would say add Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), but if the first cycle was fine without it, then the 2nd one should be too. Nothing shuts me down worse than the Dbol.
 
Uhm one thing confuses me right there. You say you took 2x 250mg of Test E in your first cycle ? That equals 250mg and not 500mg. Test E will pass its half life after a couple of days, so when you shoot 250 again past its half life it just goes back up 250mg. Unless your injections werent too far apart.

All in all good first cycle. You took Dbol for 13 weeks ? Thats a lot, never known anyone who did. But apperantly it did you good. Gotta love the Bol!

2nd cycle looks good too. Might wanna add Proviron in the end to lean up a bit more.
I would say add Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), but if the first cycle was fine without it, then the 2nd one should be too. Nothing shuts me down worse than the Dbol.
That would still be 500mg a week.
He took the D Bol week 1-4 then again week 9-13 which is fine.

Your second cycle is the exact same as the one i was planning !
 
Thanks for the feedback. Really appreciate it. Got me feeling like my research has really paid off and I know enough to plan my cycles properly.

All I need to do now is look in to prami doses a bit and decide wether to take it throughout or only if required. And then shed some fat before starting of course, gotta get through the Christmas dinners first though.
 
didnt read everything but from what i did it looks gtg. slow down on purchasing gear that you dont intend to use anytime soon, lol.
 
didnt read everything but from what i did it looks gtg. slow down on purchasing gear that you dont intend to use anytime soon, lol.

Haha I hear you on that it's just that I'm a bit of an impulsive buyer... "Ohhhh that looks good, I'm sure I'll find a use for it one day."

It's alright though, the expiry dates are years away and I definitely don't have enough to be considered dealing and possession is legal over here :jump:
 
Haha lol I meant possession is legal, dealing is not but I don't have enough to be done for dealing (which I do not, and would not do).

UK.
 
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