Second cycle, test again or NPP + low test? (On trt)

[oliverduke]

People take Prami and Caber too much. If you manage E2 the likelyhood of needing either is slim to none. Have it around but don't just take it because you can.

Prami FUCKING SUCKS!!! You feel like shit, your sleep will go to shit and nausea is almost constant for a couple hours.

thanks, caber is the way to go then? what about dosing? whats the main sides you would notice? milky nips?

 

[oliverduke]

Why are you so desperate to run NPP?

Makes more sense to run Deca if you're running Test E...

fits my goal of a lean bulk, less wet then deca with supposed less sides even though its the same thing in theory...

 

[Megatron28]

fits my goal of a lean bulk, less wet then deca with supposed less sides even though its the same thing in theory...

You are misinformed. They are both Nandrolone. They both do the same thing. The ester will not affect "wetness". You could pin Deca EOD if you want to keep peaks and valleys down.

 

[Megatron28]

thanks, caber is the way to go then? what about dosing? whats the main sides you would notice? milky nips?

.50mg every 3.5 days.

If you get lactation the Caber isnt not working. Caber does not cause lactation.

Read the side effects of Cabergoline online. There are potential issues such as addiction problems -- for example if you have a gambling problem.

 

[oliverduke]

.50mg every 3.5 days.

If you get lactation the Caber isnt not working. Caber does not cause lactation.

Read the side effects of Cabergoline online. There are potential issues such as addiction problems -- for example if you have a gambling problem.

Thanks, many say less sides with npp though?

Thinking atm for ease of pinning and as its my second cycle (first was cutting and only 8 weeks)

either test only 500mg

or test 500mg + npp 3-400mg... conservative i know but id feel comfortable, i can always up dosages...

but I'm wondering if gains from the test at 500mg + calorie surplus would be suffice?

done prop 8 weeks cutting at 300mg so can't say iv exactly experienced test gains...

 

[Megatron28]

From what I know about you, I think you would get great gains from a simple test cycle at 500mg/wk along with a good diet. Diet is going to be the key factor in what happens on your cycle.

 

[bigben66]

Less wetness?

I just did a photoshoot which involved a 12 week cut using Deca... not much wetness involved there!

The 'wetness' is down to estradiol management... as Mega said, Deca is Deca, it's only the oil that's different.

Personally I feel you're complicating the cycle more than you need to...

I'd stick with Test E and Deca, keep on top of your AI dosage, and pin every 3.5 days.
Doesn't get much simpler than that!

 

[oliverduke]

From what I know about you, I think you would get great gains from a simple test cycle at 500mg/wk along with a good diet. Diet is going to be the key factor in what happens on your cycle.

Yeh i think this could be right, i haven't fully used a test only cycle yet to measure its effectiveness anyway. Thats why I'm leaning towards starting a 500mg test cycle for 14 weeks and then potentially adding low dose NPP if i feel confident about using it. Mainly for the added joint benefits appeals to me! being lean and fairly strong for my bone structure i often get bad tendons

Less wetness?

I just did a photoshoot which involved a 12 week cut using Deca... not much wetness involved there!

The 'wetness' is down to estradiol management... as Mega said, Deca is Deca, it's only the oil that's different.

Personally I feel you're complicating the cycle more than you need to...

I'd stick with Test E and Deca, keep on top of your AI dosage, and pin every 3.5 days.
Doesn't get much simpler than that!

That is obviously correct, but how come so many people speak of having less sides when using npp as apposed to deca? to me it doesn't make sense either but the logs are out there to find... i guess its because npp has shallow peaks and troughs, exacerbating less noted sides?

 

[Megatron28]

Yeh i think this could be right, i haven't fully used a test only cycle yet to measure its effectiveness anyway. Thats why I'm leaning towards starting a 500mg test cycle for 14 weeks and then potentially adding low dose NPP if i feel confident about using it. Mainly for the added joint benefits appeals to me! being lean and fairly strong for my bone structure i often get bad tendons



That is obviously correct, but how come so many people speak of having less sides when using npp as apposed to deca? to me it doesn't make sense either but the logs are out there to find... i guess its because npp has shallow peaks and troughs, exacerbating less noted sides?

It is because they pin more frequently. Actually NPP has bigger peaks and troughs milligram for milligram. You could actually have smaller peaks and troughs by pinning Deca in small frequent doses. Daily for example.

But again, the key is in managing estradiol and Prolactin.

 

[oliverduke]

It is because they pin more frequently. Actually NPP has bigger peaks and troughs milligram for milligram. You could actually have smaller peaks and troughs by pinning Deca in small frequent doses. Daily for example.

But again, the key is in managing estradiol and Prolactin.

Thanks

think I'm going to go straight 500 test, maybe add npp in at 300 for last 8 weeks if i feel like i need to as its short half life i can drop it easier and it will kick in quicker.