Second TRT pin - not so good

[AverageMan]

My first pin stick in the right quad was painless and easy - today was stick #2 and all did not go well. I used my left quad and had muscle twitching and a little pain. Removed the pin and tried a different spot in the left quad - same thing, a little pain and muscle twitching after going in about 1/2". Switched to the right quad and things went smooth as butter just lift the first time around 3 days ago.

Could I have hit a nerve or something in my left quad? I did have a little blood when pulling out the pin in my left quad. Zero blood or pain in my right quad both times.

 

[Onk]

You're trying to inject into the vastus medialis (or MAYBE satorius), better to keep to lower or upper vastus lateralis. Your femoral nerve is closer to the medialis side of the quad (inner side).

Steps:

1. In your mind, divide the thigh (the area between the knee and the hip) into three equal parts. The middle third is where you pin.

2. Your vastus lateralis runs along the top of the thigh (the front) and a little to the outside. Put your thumb in the middle of the top of the thigh, and your fingers along the side.

3. Choose either the top or bottom of this muscle as your injection site. Most people should start with the middle to top third of the muscle.

 

[halfwit]

Yep, you were playing pin the needle on the nerve endings. Probably too close to the center as Onk mentioned. Here's an easy way to know if you're off to the outside enough: hold the syringe about 45 degrees from the center of your leg. Keep moving it outwards until it is now 90 degrees perpendicular to the surface - that's the outside edge, and you can inject one hand width down from the hip - one hand width up from the knee.

If you feel a sharp pinch when you barely touch the surface, a nerve is close by, just move an inch or so up/down and it should be pain free.

 

[AverageMan]

Yep, you were playing pin the needle on the nerve endings. Probably too close to the center as Onk mentioned. Here's an easy way to know if you're off to the outside enough: hold the syringe about 45 degrees from the center of your leg. Keep moving it outwards until it is now 90 degrees perpendicular to the surface - that's the outside edge, and you can inject one hand width down from the hip - one hand width up from the knee.

If you feel a sharp pinch when you barely touch the surface, a nerve is close by, just move an inch or so up/down and it should be pain free.

Thank you both for the suggestions. I will try this on my next pin.

 

[tww11]

Or just try shoulders. That's all I do now for better or worse, but I'm not pushing a large amount of oil into the muscle either so it might depend on your dose and what your shoulders can take. I have decent size shoulders so it's not a problem. It's just too hit or miss for me with my legs. Shoulders are super easy once I started doing them.

 

[thefantom1]

Why not try a 27 gauge 1/2 inch pin and do it sub-q in your love handles? As long as it is not more than 1/2 ml you will find that it is painless.

 

[halfwit]

Or just try shoulders. That's all I do now for better or worse, but I'm not pushing a large amount of oil into the muscle either so it might depend on your dose and what your shoulders can take. I have decent size shoulders so it's not a problem. It's just too hit or miss for me with my legs. Shoulders are super easy once I started doing them.

You want more than just two sites for long term use of injectables. Otherwise, you WILL develop scar tissue over time. I do like delts myself, but I also use quads, pecs, glutes, ventroglutes. Need to give the body time to heal up.

Subq can also work, but I don't like the occasional hyperlipotrophy (lumps that remain for extended periods of time), or the potential for bruising. Just a matter of preference, not that there's anything wrong with the suggestion.

 

[AverageMan]

You want more than just two sites for long term use of injectables. Otherwise, you WILL develop scar tissue over time. I do like delts myself, but I also use quads, pecs, glutes, ventroglutes. Need to give the body time to heal up.

Subq can also work, but I don't like the occasional hyperlipotrophy (lumps that remain for extended periods of time), or the potential for bruising. Just a matter of preference, not that there's anything wrong with the suggestion.

Man, you are a real pin cushion! I ordered 1/2" 29G insulin syringes. The 25G 1.5" was just too much, especially since I'm only injecting ~.3 CC of 200 mg/ml Cyp E3.5D to start...

 

[halfwit]

Man, you are a real pin cushion! I ordered 1/2" 29G insulin syringes. The 25G 1.5" was just too much, especially since I'm only injecting ~.3 CC of 200 mg/ml Cyp E3.5D to start...

Yep. I wasn't taught site rotation when I started TRT, so I just kept pinning my right quad, with the left when the right was sore. Now I have a quarter sized piece of scar tissue that refuses to break up.

I enjoy 25g 1" as they are a good mix of being big enough to pass oil relatively quickly, while leaving a fairly small "footprint".

 

[tww11]

Yeah no doubt it can become an issue. I used to do my quads only and now just shoulders for the time being. It's easy to develop some anxiety or fear of your weekly injections when you have a few bad experiences in a specific location. I agree that rotating is best for the long run. The poster should experiment and at least have a few other sites so he can have a mental break from hitting the same spots.

 

[Onk]

I pin on cycle EoD and do glutes, pecs, delts, quads and lats. between those you've got enough time for rotation. but I do use 25g 1.5 or 1 inch syringes depending on what area I'm pinning. 25g is easy peasy once you've pinned with an 18g.