Should I stop taking hcG, stop trt altogether?

willnorthwest

willnorthwest

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can hcG or arimidex cause anxiety and panic attacks? i have done some googling, and Dr. Crisler suggests that hcG can cause anxiety and panic in those prone to it. i have never had panic/anxiety before i started trt about a year ago. this past year has been horrible. i'll go through periods of light, to extreme anxiety. i had to take a few weeks off of work and increase my paxil from 10mg to 30mg's. i am almost convinced that my panic/anxiety is due to a hormone imbalance from trt. most recently, i have been doing 70mg cyp e4d, with 400iu hcG the day before each shot. i had also been taking .25 adex at e8d.

at this point, i would like to consider stopping trt altogether, or at the least, try to get to the root of whats causing the anxiety and panic attacks. would it be wise to stop taking the hcG for awhile and see how that goes? i have been taking hcG since day 1, and i am a little worried about shrinkage and infertility. how long can i stop the hcG without ruining my testicles? also, my doctor is recommending that i stop trt altogether if it is causing panic attacks and anxiety. ive heard over and over again that cold turkey is not the way to go, but my doctor thinks because i have been on hcG since the beginning, that i should not have a problem restarting my endogenous t. sorry for the long winded post, but i am totally stumped at this point!!!!!
 
I don't know that much about anxiety and I'm sure it can have many causes, but if a hormone imbalance is to blame it should be possible to determine that with thorough blood tests.

I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water, you should be able to take a holiday from the hcg (say 6 weeks) without much impact and that should be enough time to determine if it is the cause.

If you dump TRT altogether, you lose the chance to isolate the cause because you'll be making several changes at the same time.
 
I just recently came off an 8 month course of HCG. I had to lower my doses to E3D after a while...
After 6 weeks at 1500 iu/week...
I had more headaches, loss of balance (I suspect higher or fluctuating estradiol in this)....
I feel a bit better and less loss of balance, dizzy type feeling now off the stuff. Its like my legs were shaky and a bit nervous while on the stuff...
All in all I would not say it was extremely over whelming anxiety while on HCG mono but I have felt better (anxiety wise) on just solo TRT.
Thats why TRT is a complicated thing for younger guys....
Balance HCG, Adex, Test and estradiol.
It's a b.s. life to find the happy medium between all these agents. You're better off living borderlibe hypo than juggling all this crap with symptoms etc...
 
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Every eigth day of adex is ineffective....
Should be dosed at most E3D. ...
I felt estradiol sides off clomid at 50 mg doses.
I was fresh off HCG so who knows If I had more estradiol in my system or what. I never experimented with lower doses of clomid. Just said screw it and moved on.
What is your TT level on this protocol Will?
What were your baselines before TRT?
how did you find out you were hypo....did u have past steroid use?
 
for the life of me, i cannot get dialed in correctly. people say that high e2 is the culprit behind the panic and anxiety. it is true that my e2 is high right now at 70 (i ran out of adex for a month), but i was having panic and anxiety when my e2 was in the 20's. my back, chest, and shoulders are riddled with cystic acne too. i would just rather stop all this madness, while i still have my sanity. maybe i should just stop taking the trt altogether and see what happens
 
Who put you on TRT was it a doc?
Maybe your T level is way too high man?
Maybe 400-500 I.u HCG E3D is a better protocol for you OFF the Test. But who knows...this is your docs area....
You would need to restart before coming off completely.
At times on TRT I felt really anxious too...felt like being alone a lot and less relaxed in general in around social gatherings.
TRT is not for eveyone. Docs are quick to throw patients on this stuff but fail to realize that the body has ITS OWN CHECKS AND BALANCES governing hormones and that injecting exogenous hormones in high doses is not really a natural way of how hormones work.
 
I really think estradiol is the culprit in conjunction with one of the others. High Estradiol can really cause lot of these crappy symptoms. I wouldn't jump right off. See how you feel off hcg. I know anxiety and it is awful. Good luck.
 
RR88 said:
I really think estradiol is the culprit in conjunction with one of the others. High Estradiol can really cause lot of these crappy symptoms. I wouldn't jump right off. See how you feel off hcg. I know anxiety and it is awful. Good luck.
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Yeah but even if u can control it with adex thats still not a long term solution. That same low dose adex that worked well for a while overtine will lower estradiol too much.
Mucking with hormones is mucking with hormones....
No ifs ot buts about it.
If you need to run HCG on your TRT protocol.....
Imo you are way too young to be on TRT in the first place.
That's what essentially HCG does...it keeps your balls running to possibly aid in fertility at some point.
Running all these agents in a protocol only further complicates things.
To me as an individual....
I enjoy living as a relaxed human being i think it is really important. I don't know about the rest of you folks if you like being jacked up all the time.
It's perfectly normal to feel tired at times....
 
okay, so lets say i try going off the hcG for a bit, lets say a month. that should be enough time to see if it has been provoking the anxiety/panic. would there be any drawbacks to trying this?
 
the only other thing it could be in my opinion is the adex. i have been off the adex for about a month. i went and got my e2 tested and it was high at 70, but i was not having anxiety or panic attacks during that time. when the doc told me my estradiol was high two days ago, i took .25mg adex, and for the past two days i have been having some bad anxiety again (no panic attacks yet though). for me, this could mean two things. either my e2 has crept up to the point where its starting to give me anxiety again, or it could be that adex in general causes me the anxiety. thoughts?
 
400iu e4d, so every 8 days, yes. im thinking about dropping hcG altogether for awhile and see if it helps with my panic and anxiety
 
willnorthwest said:
okay, so lets say i try going off the hcG for a bit, lets say a month. that should be enough time to see if it has been provoking the anxiety/panic. would there be any drawbacks to trying this?
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I would. And I would also pin 60 mg E3D.
You never answered my question...
What are your baseline levels...how old r u?
You a past AAS user?
 
willnorthwest said:
the only other thing it could be in my opinion is the adex. i have been off the adex for about a month. i went and got my e2 tested and it was high at 70, but i was not having anxiety or panic attacks during that time. when the doc told me my estradiol was high two days ago, i took .25mg adex, and for the past two days i have been having some bad anxiety again (no panic attacks yet though). for me, this could mean two things. either my e2 has crept up to the point where its starting to give me anxiety again, or it could be that adex in general causes me the anxiety. thoughts?
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Adex does lower SHBG mind you. It increases T into more bio availability. ..you simply might have too much T for your system that your body doesnt need.
Why not 50-60 mg E3D?
 
willnorthwest said:
really? my shbg is consistently flagged low. my shbg is around 13
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Androgens lower SHBG. Adding Adex blocks the conversion of Testosterone to Estradiol by reducing aromatization. So taking Adex with TRT lowers SHBG even more.
Means you have run away free testosterone.
For a guy with anxiety how much Test do you really need man?
I def. Felt more jacked up at 70 mg E3D. ...
I was at 1270 ng/dl trough level. ...
I don't know what you test at with your current protocol....
But personally I don't buy Into needing to be in the 1000 ng/dl plus range to feel TRT.
You could feel great at 600-800 ng dl as well.
At 600 ng/dl TT on TRT.....my bio available T level came back at the very top of range...
Goes to show you less is more.
You obviously feel like hell at these higher doses...
 
Will

Don't you have a young kid too?
Thats anxiety in itself. Providing for its security, well being, up bringing, work, economy sucks, inflation....money that was good before is buying less and less. It all ties in together man.
 
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