Shutdown 1.5 months after PCT - help

[jojoduo2]

Recently got blood work done and my total testosterone came back as 86 ng/ul. Pre-cycle testosterone was 400 ng/ul. This is 1.5 months after a PCT of nolvadex (40 mg ED for two weeks and 20 mg ED for another two weeks). My cycle was 500 mg test e and 400 mg deca per week for 12 weeks (deca stopped at 11 weeks) followed by 2 weeks of 1000 IU hCG EOD before PCT. What is wrong with me?

Bloodwork:

Testosterone: 86 ng/ul 250-800
LH: 2.9 1.7-8.6
FSH: 2.5 1.5-12.4
Estrogen: 17.0 7.6-42.6

Stats:
25
195 lbs
10-12% bodyfat

 

[SJC]

Well the number one issue is you didn't use clomid. Clomid is a must. Clomid kick starts your pituitary gland into telling your testicle to start creating Testosterone again. You also should have quit the deca 2-3 weeks before the Test.

End result is I would get clomid run it 50/50/50/50 and if possible while you wait for that to come I would blast HCG 250iu eod.

You need to PCT again period.

 

[tx045]

Try an aggressive restart. I'd blast hcg at a much higher dose than 250 eod and I'd go with a clomid/nolva combo or instead of nolva try toremifene. If you post your bloodwork you'll get a more in depth answer

 

[Teutonic]

This one s done son.

You prayed for rain, even seeded the cloud s son now...deal with the mudd .

But we will assist just do as advised and keep us in the loop.
This too will pass....or not.

 

[Theworm]

This one s done son.

You prayed for rain, even seeded the cloud s son now...deal with the mudd .

But we will assist just do as advised and keep us in the loop.
This too will pass....or not.

Should have done hcg throughout cycle with deca. Do the above, aggressive pct restart and I'm sure those numbers will be much different.
If you have a vericocele it takes even longer.
Be like me and if u cycle, stay far away from deca!

 

[Milton]

can you get your bloods posted?

 

[Roush]

Recently got blood work done and my total testosterone came back as 86 ng/ul. Pre-cycle testosterone was 400 ng/ul. This is 1.5 months after a PCT of nolvadex (40 mg ED for two weeks and 20 mg ED for another two weeks). My cycle was 500 mg test e and 400 mg deca per week for 12 weeks (deca stopped at 11 weeks) followed by 2 weeks of 1000 IU hCG EOD before PCT. What is wrong with me?

You did not do your research before deciding to jump on gear, thats whats wrong with you . no clomid in your pct !!??

 

[3J]

let me simplify this for you brother.. get some clomid and run it 50mg ed for 4 weeks.. wait another 5 weeks after and do bloods..

dont worry.. you should recover..

 

[Teutonic]

U got the best of the pack telling you how to unfuck this and I agree; you ll probly be gtg in 2-4 months but remember while not rocket science it is more than beer and weed.

Don t go away brother stick it out, ask q s that reflect u have RESEARCH ed this and you will get more help than u d imagine.

It s a tough audience but life s tough. Suck it the --ck up and you ll be better hard faster and recover damn near fuller.
I m arthritic and love deca but can t handle the hemocrit blood letting and etc etc. U too will find ur drug s of use of ease and then set a reasonable goal and in 12-18-24 month s attain it.

 

[jojoduo2]

Thanks for the input, everyone. I already have clomid and hCG (always gotta be prepared for the worst) on hand but because I did not need it to recover from my first cycle, I only used nolvadex. Will start clomid today.

 

[jojoduo2]

Regarding my other bloodwork- EVERYTHING else is perfect. Lipids, metabolic panel, etc. are all good.

 

[jojoduo2]

Also, I am 25, 195 lbs ~10-12% bodyfat

 

[jojoduo2]

You did not do your research before deciding to jump on gear, thats whats wrong with you . no clomid in your pct !!??

I know you think I didn't do my research and that's completely reasonable to believe, but I assure you I did. From what I learned, it seemed like either clomid or nolva would be fine for PCT and because I only used nolva for my first cycle, I thought it would be fine. I do have clomid on hand though, and will be starting it right away. I don't mean any of this disrespectfully, I just don't want to give the impression that I did no research. Also, nice car. I have the same one in blue.

 

[Teutonic]

Good man !!!

 

[juced_porkchop]

Thanks for the input, everyone. I already have clomid and hCG (always gotta be prepared for the worst) on hand but because I did not need it to recover from my first cycle, I only used nolvadex. Will start clomid today.

dont use the hcg now. thats why you dont use it during pct. if you do use it then start the clomid after you stop the hcg.
i would just go with 4-5 weeks of 20mg tamox/nolva and 30-50mg clomid ed. if you do same cycle use the hcg the last 4-6 weeks of cycle leading up to BUT NOT into pct at about 250-500iu 2x a week. also i would rec run test 3wks longer than deca personally. i would rather tell you to go 12 wks deca and 15wks test then 12deca and 13 test. deca is a great compound but a slow one to work in and out.
using it now and love it though.

 

[Roush]

Also, nice car. I have the same one in blue.

Grabber blue probably huh ?

thanks , its been gone for awhile now though . Ordered it new from Roush , was car 297 out of 297. was a collector car, put about 3000 miles on it in a couple years before i sold it. since then been driving an Audi A7, 590hp Mercedes CLS63 Amg S, and a new C7 corvette. just didn't have room in the garage to keep the Roush too

 

[Therealkozmo]

nolva is a carcinogen and the combination is no better then clomid alone. Less is more. Especially with the clomid. Dose at 25mg to feel less like a girl.

 

[jojoduo2]

dont use the hcg now. thats why you dont use it during pct. if you do use it then start the clomid after you stop the hcg.
i would just go with 4-5 weeks of 20mg tamox/nolva and 30-50mg clomid ed. if you do same cycle use the hcg the last 4-6 weeks of cycle leading up to BUT NOT into pct at about 250-500iu 2x a week. also i would rec run test 3wks longer than deca personally. i would rather tell you to go 12 wks deca and 15wks test then 12deca and 13 test. deca is a great compound but a slow one to work in and out.
using it now and love it though.

Thanks for the advice. For some reason I stop making significant gains with long esters at around week 9-10 (or at least that's been my experience.) Do you recommend upping dosage with the longer cycle?

 

[jojoduo2]

Grabber blue probably huh ?

thanks , its been gone for awhile now though . Ordered it new from Roush , was car 297 out of 297. was a collector car, put about 3000 miles on it in a couple years before i sold it. since then been driving an Audi A7, 590hp Mercedes CLS63 Amg S, and a new C7 corvette. just didn't have room in the garage to keep the Roush too

Koda blue, actually. Oh, man you own a great set of cars- unfortunately I'm not at a point in my life where I can afford that. Even my mustang is only a v6 lol. I love the AMG, it's such a great car. Although I also love BMW, I commend you on choosing that instead of an m series haha