Some questions about Tren

[winst]

As we all know Tren is not to be taken lightly. If you are not careful with it, it'll bite you! But it can also be oooohh soooo good... which is why I've decided to dabble with it. I am in the middle of laying out my cycle and could use some help.

Stats

Age: 30
Height: 175cm
Weight: 83kg
Lifting exp.: years
Cycle exp.: 2 (oral and inject.)
Goal: lean mass

Main Cycle

-> 1-14 - Testosterone Enanthate (600mg/week - MWF)
-> 4-12 - Trenbolone Acetate (75mg/day)
-> 4-12 - Cabergoline (.5mg E4D)
-> 9-14 - Winstrol (50mg/day)
-> 2-15 - HCG (250iu twice a week)
-> 1-14 - Liquidex (0.5mg/day)

PCT

-> 16-20 - Clomid (100/50/50/25)
-> HCGenerate (start week 14 until empty bottle)
-> DAA
-> Erase (or low dose AI)

Post PCT

-> Bridge

Questions

1) Should caber be run the entire length of the cycle when including Tren, or just for the amount of time that you are on Tren?

2) I want to incorporate some Winstrol (winny) at the back end of the cycle... is 5 weeks a good run on it? I have only ever used var.

3) On days where I have to inject both tren and test, can they be loaded into the same needle together and injected at one go? Or best to split them up?

 

[Shovel]

Run caber .5mg 2xweek from week 4-14.

5 weeks for Winstrol (winny) is fine at 50mg Ed.

Load em both in the same barrel.

 

[winst]

Run caber .5mg 2xweek from week 4-14.

5 weeks for Winstrol (winny) is fine at 50mg Ed.

Load em both in the same barrel.

Excellent info... just what I was looking for. Thanks!

 

[Zeek]

Hi Winst

With recovery being so important why drop the clomid to 25mg/ed for the 4th week of post cycle therapy (pct)? I am not proud of this but there have been a few times in years gone by where I didn't have as much clomid for post cycle therapy (pct) as I should have so I too skimped it. Recovery ended up taking weeks longer and gains maintained were less. Just my $.02

You have tren in that cycle. Too King of shut down.

 

[bigherm2121]

Y are you shooting test e Mon Wed Fri. Just curious

 

[BBE]

I think 3x a week is a great choice. Regardless of whether I'm cruising on a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose, or blasting, I ALWAYS pin test EOD. You'd be surprised at how much you can cut back on your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) by pinning smaller amounts more frequently.

 

[winst]

Y are you shooting test e Mon Wed Fri. Just curious

I learned that spreading the weekly dose as even as possible through the week was better at keeping blood levels elevated. I used this protocol on my last cycle where I was shooting test cyp at 200mg/3 times a week... figured I would follow the same protocol this go around.

 

[winst]

Hi Winst

With recovery being so important why drop the clomid to 25mg/ed for the 4th week of post cycle therapy (pct)? I am not proud of this but there have been a few times in years gone by where I didn't have as much clomid for post cycle therapy (pct) as I should have so I too skimped it. Recovery ended up taking weeks longer and gains maintained were less. Just my $.02

You have tren in that cycle. Too King of shut down.

Thats a good point actually, I should keep it an even 50mg at least. After reading how much tren could shut you down, the boys will need all the help they can get.

I am just finishing up post cycle therapy (pct) now actually from my previous cycle (this is all just planning for the next) and had a very successful recovery while tapering down to 25mg, but that cycle was much weaker (test/var).

 

[essays]

Thats a good point actually, I should keep it an even 50mg at least. After reading how much tren could shut you down, the boys will need all the help they can get.

I am just finishing up post cycle therapy (pct) now actually from my previous cycle (this is all just planning for the next) and had a very successful recovery while tapering down to 25mg, but that cycle was much weaker (test/var).

Winst, I'd recommend tren at no more than 50mg ED if that's going to be your pin cycle. You could run it 100mg EOD and be fine. Best bet is to run your first tren cycle at that level (350mg/week) and go from there. Might be you'll never find a need to go beyond that. Shit is POWERFUL. Via lab testing, 350mg of tren is estimated to be as anabolic as 1,750mg of test per week. Keep that in mind.

 

["200lbs is 200lbs" H.L.R.]

I learned that spreading the weekly dose as even as possible through the week was better at keeping blood levels elevated. I used this protocol on my last cycle where I was shooting test cyp at 200mg/3 times a week... figured I would follow the same protocol this go around.

your absolutely right here brotha

 

[bigherm2121]

I think 3x a week is a great choice. Regardless of whether I'm cruising on a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose, or blasting, I ALWAYS pin test EOD. You'd be surprised at how much you can cut back on your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) by pinning smaller amounts more frequently.

Ya i realize that bit with two different esters he's gonna be pinning like crazy. I'm gonna be running tren hex soon which is parabolon. Shits great from what i hear.

 

[BBE]

tren ANYTHING is great bro, LOL

 

[Bullishness]

Should you always run more tren than test? or does it not matter? I think a little test with it will make the labido keep rolling. just not sure of the mix...

 

[bigherm2121]

Some say do some don't because tren and test fight for the same receptors and you want the tren effects.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

yea as metnioned your pinning schedule kind of sux, I would re think that one. also no need for more than 100mg EOD as mentioned, and also think there is no need to pin ED.

If i was going to pin ED I would be using long slin pins and back loading them.

I am anti D agonist, meaning i think you should only use those if you have prolactin problems. 90% of side effects from AAS are estrogen related, not prolactin prog.

I mean your basically taking parkinsons meds for no reason, unless you know for sure your prolactin is high.

 

[ChrisWho?]

yea as metnioned your pinning schedule kind of sux, I would re think that one. also no need for more than 100mg EOD as mentioned, and also think there is no need to pin ED.

If i was going to pin ED I would be using long slin pins and back loading them.

I am anti D agonist, meaning i think you should only use those if you have prolactin problems. 90% of side effects from AAS are estrogen related, not prolactin prog.

I mean your basically taking parkinsons meds for no reason, unless you know for sure your prolactin is high.

I agree 100% with this. Also, with the effects of tren, there's absolutely no reason to run winny.

With the strength gains from tren, Winstrol (winny) has the potential to get you injured from what it does to joints and drying them out if your inexperienced and never ran tren before.

Tren and test gets a lot accomplished, more drugs are not neccessary.

Like posted above, your going to have a fucked up pinning schedule. Winstrol (winny) ED, tren EOD with a long estered test. Run your test/tren EOD and shit can winny.

 

[Jacked27]

Poor Winstrol (winny), always getting shit-canned.

 

[bigherm2121]

yea as metnioned your pinning schedule kind of sux, I would re think that one. also no need for more than 100mg EOD as mentioned, and also think there is no need to pin ED.

If i was going to pin ED I would be using long slin pins and back loading them.

I am anti D agonist, meaning i think you should only use those if you have prolactin problems. 90% of side effects from AAS are estrogen related, not prolactin prog.

I mean your basically taking parkinsons meds for no reason, unless you know for sure your prolactin is high.

ya pretty much what i was saying. Even when I ran prop and tren ace and i was pinning eod started to get to Me. Pinning everyday for 10 weeks is gonna start to get on your nerves. Ya It's nice to have steady blood levels but eod will still give you good levels cuz of the half life.

 

[bigherm2121]

Poor Winstrol (winny), always getting shit-canned.

Its horrible. You hear more shit about Winstrol (winny) in the news than anything. I've seen so many kids not take it right and next thing they know their in the hospital for dehydration. It's good for pre comp nothing more nothing less.

 

[dmk47]

Pinning everyday for 10 weeks is gonna start to get on your nerves. Ya It's nice to have steady blood levels but eod will still give you good levels cuz of the half life.

Totally agree here. ED is overkill and potentially counterproductive, if you're at all sensitive to either injections or to acetate ester.

I am anti D agonist, meaning i think you should only use those if you have prolactin problems. 90% of side effects from AAS are estrogen related, not prolactin prog.

I mean your basically taking parkinsons meds for no reason, unless you know for sure your prolactin is high.

Exactly this. Tren has such a fear/wonder-inspiring reputation that everybody stocks up on the caber before trying it the first time, but a lot of people don't need it (I didn't). It'll still be there if you experience prolactin sides; if not, you shouldn't screw around with your brain chemistry.