Some transformation pics

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gixxerk2 said:
genetics play a huge part, doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about.


this would be like all he skinny guys that you get in the gym offering advice on bodybuilding, who would you listen to the skinny guy who has a degree and letters after his name or the guy that is a bodybuilder?
 
TERESKAN said:
this would be like all he skinny guys that you get in the gym offering advice on bodybuilding, who would you listen to the skinny guy who has a degree and letters after his name or the guy that is a bodybuilder?
That would be the majority of PT's in gyms, not all know what they're talking about but generally some have got sound knowledge on building muscle and strength. Again some not all.

The guy that is a bb has a trainer who tells him what to eat, drink, what gear to take and how much to take, the bb brings his ass to the gym lifts weights and grows cause his gentetics are far superior to most when it comes to growing muscle.
 
gixxerk2 said:
That would be the majority of PT's in gyms, not all know what they're talking about but generally some have got sound knowledge on building muscle and strength. Again some not all.

The guy that is a bb has a trainer who tells him what to eat, drink, what gear to take and how much to take, the bb brings his ass to the gym lifts weights and grows cause his gentetics are far superior to most when it comes to growing muscle.


your first point i agree with and your second point I agree with if we are talking about the pro bodybuilder, granted they get told when and what to eat and how to do pretty much everything they also dont have the pressure of a full time job and all the other pressures that us average guys have. Im talking about the average guy. We all have the potential to make excellent gain and reach a level far above the average person in the street purly by eating right training hard and the proper use of steroids.
I strongly believe that genetics only realy come into play when your talking about stepping onto a stage.
 
lack the body to back up my advice? Hrm... So i gained nearly 70 LBs since I started lifting. I guess I need to gain 100 to have "advice" status lmfao!!!! body builders are so dumb
 
Another thing I was boxing for a yaer straight and wanted to stay under 201 to stay in the cruiser weight class. So for that period I was eatin gto maintain weight. Secondly, I take gear for strength, NOT to body build, i really don't understand how you people dont get that? Now couple that with a couple of years where I was trying to stasy in the 198 class for powerlifting... You see... you don't understand why I even take gear so how can you say *I* can achieve what I achieved WITHOUTgear without even knowing what the fuck im trying to achieve? lol...Good ol body builders got to love them!!! Also, I dont see ver many other people throwing up pics, but tons of advice being spread so im assuming everyone here is 250 at 5%...
 
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in spite of the dumbasses here, every 6 mo nth or so im going to throw up pics of progress (even though i dont know much and probably wont get very far) just because I feel like it.
 
TERESKAN said:
1 I strongly believe that genetics only realy come into play when your talking about stepping onto a stage.


Well you clearly don't have any experience training anyone or taking any real observations of other people. Which isnt a bad thing, but don't make blanket statements like that and try and pass them off as fact. Ive worked with at least 100 kids in the past year and if you don't think genetics really come into play unless stepping on stage... well, you're mistaken
 
skarhead1 said:
lack the body to back up my advice? Hrm... So i gained nearly 70 LBs since I started lifting. I guess I need to gain 100 to have "advice" status lmfao!!!! body builders are so dumb


well i started lifting at 15 and since then I have gained prob about 140 lb , I also went through puberty and grew about 4 inches in height.
70 lb or not you still arn't that impressive!!
 
skarhead1 said:
Well you clearly don't have any experience training anyone or taking any real observations of other people. Which isnt a bad thing, but don't make blanket statements like that and try and pass them off as fact. Ive worked with at least 100 kids in the past year and if you don't think genetics really come into play unless stepping on stage... well, you're mistaken

No your very right I have no expirience in training others but I still believe genetics are a crap excuse as to not gaining muscle , yes one guy might be able to gain 10lb of muscle quicker then the next person but they can both achieve a good body compared to the untrained person and the advantage of "good genetics" only really come into play when that person decides they want to step up to the next level.
 
skarhead1 said:
in spite of the dumbasses here, every 6 mo nth or so im going to throw up pics of progress (even though i dont know much and probably wont get very far) just because I feel like it.


surly if you wern't bothered about physical apperance and didn't want to look like a bodybuilder then the only progress updates would be in the form of numbers?
 
I do normally update my progress on #s, just not here cause not many people care about #s.. It's a predominantly body building board. im only bothered, not but my physical appearance but people saying "you dont need steroids" and I think i explained myself pretty clear why I feel those are dumb statements. Remember, there are powerlifteres who only weigh 165 lbs that use steroids. There are athletes who might be 5'10'' 170 and use steroids. steroids are NOT just for body building and size.
 
TERESKAN said:
well i started lifting at 15 and since then I have gained prob about 140 lb , I also went through puberty and grew about 4 inches in height.
70 lb or not you still arn't that impressive!!

and do i post progress pictures to show how "impressive" i am. and let me ask you this. what is your current height weight and BF(and dont bs on this one" that gives you the right to tell someone their physique ISNT impressive. ive never seen you post anythin ghere.
 
TERESKAN said:
No your very right I have no expirience in training others but I still believe genetics are a crap excuse as to not gaining muscle , yes one guy might be able to gain 10lb of muscle quicker then the next person but they can both achieve a good body compared to the untrained person and the advantage of "good genetics" only really come into play when that person decides they want to step up to the next level.

Did I ever say i "couldnt" gain muscle without them? No but for the 500th time I didnt alway suse steroids to gain muscle (even though it must be impossible for a body builder to understand this!!!!!!). and waht are you talking about "next level" thats a RELATIVE TERM but I guess body builders dont understand that either. The next level could be an extra 100 lbs on their big 3 total, it could be an "edge" in football. Next level isnt jsut aiming for a national level physique in body building...
 
After reading thorugh this thread i think it is kind of silly that everyone is flaming this guy. He def made some solid gains and we should leave it at that. I am sure comparing to some other people on the board he is not that impressive but from start of gear to finish there is a vast amount of hard work there...You can tell in muscle quaility...Second i think genetics play a huge role in gaining size but not quality in muscle. I feel everyone has the same potencial to gain quality muscle but the size of that muscle and the duration of time it takes to get there is going to vary person to person. We should not turn this into Powerlifting vs. bodybuilding thread either cause pretty much all off season bodybuilders lift heavy for size which is essentially what a powerlifter is. Personally i Don't think anyone really needs gear and i think most people on this forum started using Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) to early and were not able to see there full genetic potencial. Either way there are alot of impressive people using gear on the forum, but i would love to see what some poeple would have accomplsihed without it.
 
skarhead1 said:
heres a wheel shot
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shit leg picture done infront of mirror (will post better later) but shows I am a lot bigger and my lift are also better then yours :flipoffha
 
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