SP's on/off-season log

You like to mix things up quite a bit with your sessions so I tried to make suggestions based on the patterns coming out of your workouts in general.


Overall split-
In terms of the overall split, I'm not a fan of the 1 bodypart per session style training - its simply not optimal for maximum growth.
I wasn't keeping track of the exact days that you trained so maybe you still worked each bodypart twice a week? But even then its still not ideal.

It would be more optimal if, for example, your current leg day stays the same, pair chest & back together (lots of superset opportunities with this) & pair shoulders with arms.
Or you could do biceps, rear delts & back with triceps, front/side delts & chest or any other types of split combos that allow you to easily hit everything twice per week (your weakest parts 3 times if you so wish).

There's a bit too much emphasis on pre-exhaust style training as well, especially on legs day.
I understand the need if you have lagging bodyparts - for example pre-exhausting your chest because your triceps fail first when benching - but otherwise its not the best route for building overall mass.
Compounds over isolation moves is still the preferred route.


Now for some more specific tips:

Legs -
As I said about pre-exhaust style training, place the squats, SLDLs (switch to barbell version) & lunges to the start of the workout - with sufficient volume on squats & SLDLs I see no need for the lunges as well but that's up to you.

Lower reps (8-12) for the hamstring movements, specifically SLDLs and hamstring curls.

Your overall calf training is very, very impressive compared to 99% of the other routines I've seen :)
Standing, seated & single leg calf raise varieties are all awesome movements to stick to, you just need to vary the reps a little bit. Go low for standing (5-8 reps), and high (15+) for the seated calf raises.


Abs -
I'm interested to hear why the leg raises/ab work before chest day lol, not something I see too much.
I normally don't recommend training your core before compound chest lifts for obvious reasons but if its more of a warm up type thing then its fine.

The lying leg raise sucks, swap it out for some weighted crunches + hanging leg raises = all you will ever need for maximum ab development.
AVOID ALL CRUNCH MACHINES! - They cause a lot of unnecessary tension to the lumbar spine through flexion & lead to a lot of lower back problems that can be completely avoided with standard crunches.


Chest-
A little bit too much dropset action going on in some of your chest sessions - keep it to the weakest exercise for the day otherwise its not really effective.
Stuff like dropsets, training to failure, pause sets, etc should be used sparingly in order to be effective for bodybuilding purposes.

I also wouldn't do both db & cable flyes on the same day (unless one is standard and the other incline/decline) so pick the better of the two and stick with that.

I like the fact that your constantly swapping the exercises around in the routine - something I do myself depending on what's my weakest lift in the previous session, etc. As long as its not completely random, I'm all for it.


Back -
I see the DB pullovers as a complete waste of time unless you have access to the actual pullover machine (very rare to find). If your absolutely determined to keep it in then at least switch to a decline version to get more tension.
If your willing to replace it, then some weighted chin ups done consistently will fit your routines nicely.

You do the deadlifts last quite a lot and that can cause a lot of problems unless you go extra light but then what's the point of doing the move?
The deadlift also only works the back in an isometric fashion so it really belongs early on for leg day, however I think its a terrible choice for any bodybuilder beyond the beginner level so I would drop it completely (I know you love going heavy on the big 3 lol).

WHERE IS THE LOWER BACK WORK?
Got to look after your low back health man, especially considering you train abs an do deadlifts, squats and other lower-back intense movements.
Some good form back extensions for 2-3 sets, 12-15 reps twice a week will do.


Delts-
IMO, there is simply way too much volume on these days - another reason I think its unnecessary to have a shoulder day in general.

I love the emphasis on drop sets for the lateral & rear heads, people rarely focus enough on these as you do.

On the other side, there is WAY too much front delt work going on dude.
I saw a few sessions involving behind-the-neck press, front db raise & front bb raise - 3 movements all targeting the front delt is overkill. Then you add the static holds and drop sets on top of this and your asking for major shoulder imbalances & injuries.
Keep the front delt work limited to one exercise only for 2-3 sets, they get hit enough on pushing movements anyway and plenty of guys get more than enough growth in this department with no front delt work whatsoever.

I would personally drop the behind neck press completely - you can only progress so far with this move and the injury risk to your shoulders is pretty high, but I accept that you may have the shoulder flexibility to get around this.


Arms -
Overall your best sessions IMO.

If I was being really picky then switch from wide to narrow grip versions for all the bicep curl exercises to emphasis different parts of the bicep.
Also, I occasionally saw some sessions with more volume for biceps than triceps when it should really be the other way round considering the size and growth potential differences.



I know its a lot of stuff to be changing but if you were to apply anything that I said, I would pay attention to my view on pre-exhaust training, the overall split structure, adding some lower back work and reducing the volume on the front delts for shoulder day.

That's a top notch post Zilla... I'll be adjusting some of my training accordingly!
 
Went to a different gym (GoodLife) than usual with a buddy, fucked up scale there (said I was 205lbs) and some interesting equipment...

Mon - chest - 8-12 reps
warmup - incline treadmill
cable flye - warm up and two or three working sets
internal/external shoulder rotation - one set of each per arm
incline DB press - three sets, heavy-ish
flat BB press - warmup, moderate/heavy/moderate weight for three working sets, strip/dropset on the third
interesting cable-based seated chest press/flye machine - three sets of twist/flyes
hanging leg raise - four sets
bodyweight dips - three sets
superset tricep pushdown - two burnout sets
 
Weight 221

Tue - back - 8-12 reps
warmup - indoor track
meadows row - two warmup and three working sets
DB deadstop row - three sets, heavy
standing close-grip pulldown - two sets, full arm stretch/extension overhead
heavy partial pulldown - three sets, full stretch and just down to forehead height
HS PL row machine - three sets
back extension - two weighted sets then one bodyweight to rep it out
supported/hanging leg raise - four sets
DB shrug - three sets with three second hold at the top
 
You like to mix things up quite a bit with your sessions so I tried to make suggestions based on the patterns coming out of your workouts in general.


Overall split-
In terms of the overall split, I'm not a fan of the 1 bodypart per session style training - its simply not optimal for maximum growth.
I wasn't keeping track of the exact days that you trained so maybe you still worked each bodypart twice a week? But even then its still not ideal.

It would be more optimal if, for example, your current leg day stays the same, pair chest & back together (lots of superset opportunities with this) & pair shoulders with arms.
Or you could do biceps, rear delts & back with triceps, front/side delts & chest or any other types of split combos that allow you to easily hit everything twice per week (your weakest parts 3 times if you so wish).

There's a bit too much emphasis on pre-exhaust style training as well, especially on legs day.
I understand the need if you have lagging bodyparts - for example pre-exhausting your chest because your triceps fail first when benching - but otherwise its not the best route for building overall mass.
Compounds over isolation moves is still the preferred route.


Now for some more specific tips:

Legs -
As I said about pre-exhaust style training, place the squats, SLDLs (switch to barbell version) & lunges to the start of the workout - with sufficient volume on squats & SLDLs I see no need for the lunges as well but that's up to you.

Lower reps (8-12) for the hamstring movements, specifically SLDLs and hamstring curls.

Your overall calf training is very, very impressive compared to 99% of the other routines I've seen :)
Standing, seated & single leg calf raise varieties are all awesome movements to stick to, you just need to vary the reps a little bit. Go low for standing (5-8 reps), and high (15+) for the seated calf raises.


Abs -
I'm interested to hear why the leg raises/ab work before chest day lol, not something I see too much.
I normally don't recommend training your core before compound chest lifts for obvious reasons but if its more of a warm up type thing then its fine.

The lying leg raise sucks, swap it out for some weighted crunches + hanging leg raises = all you will ever need for maximum ab development.
AVOID ALL CRUNCH MACHINES! - They cause a lot of unnecessary tension to the lumbar spine through flexion & lead to a lot of lower back problems that can be completely avoided with standard crunches.


Chest-
A little bit too much dropset action going on in some of your chest sessions - keep it to the weakest exercise for the day otherwise its not really effective.
Stuff like dropsets, training to failure, pause sets, etc should be used sparingly in order to be effective for bodybuilding purposes.

I also wouldn't do both db & cable flyes on the same day (unless one is standard and the other incline/decline) so pick the better of the two and stick with that.

I like the fact that your constantly swapping the exercises around in the routine - something I do myself depending on what's my weakest lift in the previous session, etc. As long as its not completely random, I'm all for it.


Back -
I see the DB pullovers as a complete waste of time unless you have access to the actual pullover machine (very rare to find). If your absolutely determined to keep it in then at least switch to a decline version to get more tension.
If your willing to replace it, then some weighted chin ups done consistently will fit your routines nicely.

You do the deadlifts last quite a lot and that can cause a lot of problems unless you go extra light but then what's the point of doing the move?
The deadlift also only works the back in an isometric fashion so it really belongs early on for leg day, however I think its a terrible choice for any bodybuilder beyond the beginner level so I would drop it completely (I know you love going heavy on the big 3 lol).

WHERE IS THE LOWER BACK WORK?
Got to look after your low back health man, especially considering you train abs an do deadlifts, squats and other lower-back intense movements.
Some good form back extensions for 2-3 sets, 12-15 reps twice a week will do.


Delts-
IMO, there is simply way too much volume on these days - another reason I think its unnecessary to have a shoulder day in general.

I love the emphasis on drop sets for the lateral & rear heads, people rarely focus enough on these as you do.

On the other side, there is WAY too much front delt work going on dude.
I saw a few sessions involving behind-the-neck press, front db raise & front bb raise - 3 movements all targeting the front delt is overkill. Then you add the static holds and drop sets on top of this and your asking for major shoulder imbalances & injuries.
Keep the front delt work limited to one exercise only for 2-3 sets, they get hit enough on pushing movements anyway and plenty of guys get more than enough growth in this department with no front delt work whatsoever.

I would personally drop the behind neck press completely - you can only progress so far with this move and the injury risk to your shoulders is pretty high, but I accept that you may have the shoulder flexibility to get around this.


Arms -
Overall your best sessions IMO.

If I was being really picky then switch from wide to narrow grip versions for all the bicep curl exercises to emphasis different parts of the bicep.
Also, I occasionally saw some sessions with more volume for biceps than triceps when it should really be the other way round considering the size and growth potential differences.



I know its a lot of stuff to be changing but if you were to apply anything that I said, I would pay attention to my view on pre-exhaust training, the overall split structure, adding some lower back work and reducing the volume on the front delts for shoulder day.
God damn it, Zilla for President. GREAT stuff once again brother. I've shot a pic of this also.
 
Weight no scale? Ugh

Went to my old gym (it was closed for renos) and was disapointed to find they kind of made it worse - replaced racks that didn't need replacing, got rid of all the leg extension machines (?) and have an even weirder DB selection (two pairs of 70s but no 22.5/27.5/32.5 etc) and no scale anymore

Wed - delts - 10-12 reps
Light warmup with DBs - twist press etc.
Lateral DB raise - three sets, end with dropset
Superset front DB raise - two sets
Seated DB press - three sets
Superset wide-grip BB press - three sets, moderate weight & full ROM
Rear-delt cable pull-apart - three dropsets
Smith shrugs - three sets behind the back and in front
Standing calf raise - two sets
Hanging leg raise - four sets
 
Weight 223

Thu - arms - 8-12 reps
warmup - indoor track
cross-body DB curl - two warmup and three working sets
supported/hanging leg raise - four sets
preacher EZbar curl - three sets, 1sec contraction...tried this out to gauge forearm and wrist pain/recovery. Not perfect but tolerable...
rope tricep pushdown - four sets, 1sec contraction
standing EZbar curl - three sets with three second descent
weighted bench dips - bodyweight then three weighted sets, moderate weight
CGBP - two working sets
superset seated overhead tricep DB extension - two sets

Looking at a few ways to implements MRZ's suggestion of more frequent bodypart training...the most obvious to me is doing something like
1. legs/abs+back extensions
2. chest/shoulders(front delts)
3. back/shoulders(rear delts)
4. arms/abs

When hormonized I don't take many rest days so that'd be each bodypart around 1.75x/wk...

Had a few other ideas but they're a little more convoluted...
 
What I was do Snow most of the time is chest/tris/shoulders......legs......back/bis/rear delts. Ill do that twice a week with one day off in the middle. Now, my work schedule dowsnt really allow me to stick to this always while im on shift so I improvise. Once in a while ill have a separate shoulder day and arm day. I am blessed with shoulders that grow quite easily so not having an actually shoulder day doesnt really hinder gains. With that said though, you do actually hit a lot of shoulders, especially front delts on a chest so I usually focus on side laterals on that day because lets say you do three pressing movements, and even fly movements your front delts are getting hit without a doubt.

I used to train each body part once a week and it has made a HUGE difference training them twice a week.
 
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Weight 223

I almost regret going to the gym this morning...my coffee spilled in my gym bag (my old army ruck) which sucked for multiple reasons...wet/coffee-smelling gym clothes, towel, and 'clean' boxers...but mostly the lack of caffeine. I should've popped a few ephedrine but I was a little frustrated and just wanted to get out of the change room so I hit the track and did some laps. Squats were missing a few reps, although my lower back wasn't as crampy/pumped as it was last leg day thankfully. Got through the workout but took more time than I should've and just feel like I might've gotten a better workout if I went in the evening now that it's over.

Fri - legs - 8-15 reps
Warmup - light jog/indoor track
highbar ATG squat - warmup then three working sets, moderate to heavy weight
supported/hanging leg raise - three sets, seems to help stretch my back out & alleviate the tightness in the spinal erectors after heavy squatting
seated quad extension - three rest/pause sets
standing calf raise - four sets, heavy & 8-10ish reps
SLDL - four sets, lower reps as per MRZ's recommendations...8 reps each, heavier to compensate for the lower reps
prone hamstring curl - three sets
seated calf raise - three sets, 15-20 rep range
 
I hate when something like that happens. I've had a few like that and keep analyzing how I could have avoided that situation while working out which is distracting and after I think I should have just left and came back in a better frame of mind. I'm always over thinking lol little OCD like that.

Looks like you had a good workout anyway. Way to rise above!
 
I almost regret going to the gym this morning...my coffee spilled in my gym bag (my old army ruck) which sucked for multiple reasons...wet/coffee-smelling gym clothes, towel, and 'clean' boxers...but mostly the lack of caffeine.

Spooky... same shit happened to me a couple of days ago, but I managed to fuck up an almost brand new ipod touch too!
 
What I was do Snow most of the time is chest/tris/shoulders......legs......back/bis/rear delts. Ill do that twice a week with one day off in the middle.

I find your training split interesting Schredder, but I'd kinda think that to fit all three (Chest/shldrs/tris) into one workout, I'd have to sacrifice a few key exercises to make it work... I feel I need to progress to training bodyparts more than once a week, but no matter how I try and work out a split, I can't get them in twice a week. The best I can come up with, without sacrificing what I consider to be essential moves is twice in 9 days. Might go with this for now... Thanks for sharing though buddy
 
Weight 223

Sat - chest - 8-12 reps
warmup - indoor track
internal/external shoulder rotation - two sets of each per arm
hanging leg raise - four sets
high & low cable flyes - three sets, warmup to moderate weight
incline DB press - three working sets
flat BB press - three heavy-ass sets, end with strip/dropset
incline DB flyes - four sets, slow + tight contraction
superset bodyweight dips - three sets
rope tricep pushdown - three burnout sets
superset rope crunches - two sets

Cardio:
30-40mins LISS - indoor track...kind of lost track of time but worked up a nice sweat
 
I find your training split interesting Schredder, but I'd kinda think that to fit all three (Chest/shldrs/tris) into one workout, I'd have to sacrifice a few key exercises to make it work... I feel I need to progress to training bodyparts more than once a week, but no matter how I try and work out a split, I can't get them in twice a week. The best I can come up with, without sacrificing what I consider to be essential moves is twice in 9 days. Might go with this for now... Thanks for sharing though buddy

No trying to hijack Snow but I want to chime in here.

I think twice in 9 days is ok Ben.

I can get away without really doing too much for shoulders as like I said already they grow very easily with minimal work so thats how my chest/tri/shoulder day can be done. If I combined the three its only like 3 or 4 sets of laterals for delts, thats it. The front head gets hit with all the pressing movement then on back day the rear delts get hit.

Anyways back to you Snow
 
When you say LISS on an indoor track... do you actually mean a proper running track?
So you just power walk round a proper track then?
If so, that's a great facility bro :)

Yessir, thats all it is.

For a short warmup I usually jog/run but if I want to do health-cardio that gets my heartrate too high so I stick to (approximately) 4.2mph...I can gauge my heartrate pretty well from my running days & keep it in the 130bpm range.
 
Slightly late to the party but my views on trying to create a split to hit everything twice a week:

Based on the groups your training snow I would do either 3 muscles per workout, for 3 workouts done 2x week or a basic upper/lower split done 4x week.

The 3 muscles per workout is pretty much what bigben and buzzbait do.
For example:
Workout 1 - chest, triceps, front delts
Workout 2 - Back, biceps, rear/side delts
Workout 3 - Legs and core (abs/lower back)

This type of protocol lets you train 6x week with a rest day and you can chuck any accessory moves (forearm work, etc) into any of the days that you wish. IMO, this is the easiest way to hit everything twice if sufficient volume is a concern.

The upper/lower split speaks for itself and is extremely underrated.
2 Exercises for an appropriate number of sets & reps is more than enough to get good results, this can easily be achieved through the upper/lower split.
This style of split also allows you see to exactly what is lagging behind since your hitting a lot of muscles and any weak points will stand out quite a bit.
Most advanced guys completely avoid this style because they place the emphasis on volume while I prefer to focus on intensity - its not about quantity of the work you can do, its about the quality :)

Your original idea isn't necessarily a bad split, its just difficult to follow the "train everything twice a week" rule on that protocol.
No one can really give a fixed split but a good rule would be to implement more time for the weak areas and less on the strong. For example, if your biceps are a weak point then it doesn't make sense to do a bunch of back movements with only 2 curl variations for biceps. If the chest is your strongest point then it doesn't make sense focusing primarily on the chest with limited volume on triceps, etc.
 
For example:
Workout 1 - chest, triceps, front delts
Workout 2 - Back, biceps, rear/side delts
Workout 3 - Legs and core (abs/lower back)

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This^^^^ basically exactly what I do except I hit side laterals on the chest day rather than the back day. At this point though either or with do just fine. For me, why I do them on chest day is due to the fact back days are usually quite heavy and lots of exercises and an immense amount of energy is put out so I chose not to do them on that day, although I have in the past and probably with from time to time in the future.
 
^^^^^^ and this is exactly what I do....Thinking on changing my name from Buzzbait, to copycat.... Lol I love this split... Zilla, yet again, solid post brother
 
Weight 223

Did mountain dog week 1 back today, except left chain deads out because I want to skip to legs for tomorrow (still unhappy with Friday's workout and I've decided to run mountain dog phase 1 for the next month)

Sun - back - 8-12 reps
warmup - indoor track
one-arm BB row - warmup then four working sets, use 25lb plates to get maximum stretch on the lats...and straps because I was going HEAVY
smith BB row - actually swapped yates row in because the smith was having a train run on it by six high school kids - four heavy sets, explosive concentric and controlled eccentric
DB pullover - don't hate me for this one MRZ, I'll post a better explanation below - four sets with constant lat tension
DB shrug - three sets with three second hold on each rep
superset decline leg raise - four sets, slow & forcing the abdominal contraction (rather than hip flexors)
swapped in seated row for chain deads, again to save legs for tomorrow - three sets, heavy with full scapula extension and contraction
superset bodyweight pullup - two sets to burn out the lats

John Meadow's description for the DB Pullovers:
Dumbell pullovers

I want you to lay on a bench not across it. Lay on the bench so that your head is actually slightly dangling off. Get a slight bend in your elbows, and then lock your arms into place. Slowly descend on these. The object isn't to force a stretch, and go so far down that you actually lose lat tension (and risk injury), I want constant tension. So just find that spot going down slowly where you can only feel your lats working. When you do these right, you can also feel your serratus pulling. A key part of this is to only come up to the top of your head too (right above forehead). If you go further, you will lose lat tension. Do 4 sets of 10.

These also have the nice side benefit of allowing your lats to expand further out to the side due to the relationship your serratus and lats have.

4 total work sets

Goal: Constant tension on your lats
 
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Bro I luv dumbell pullovers, when I dont do them my back just doesnt feel the same tightness under my armpits. I think they add some serious width way high. Like the quote above, I go back as far as I can after I warm up with lesser weight. Sometimes the dumbell touches the ground then back up barely missing my nose. Sometimes on the last rep I have to turn my face to save my nose from being smashed.
Used to have shoulder issues, but i think this exercise has strengthened the shoulder girdle because it feels real stable now
 
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