Stacking gear with prohormones? And prohormone equivelance to certain gear?

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As we all know, certain gear is eaiser to get than others (i.e. Testosterone). And test is usually the base of any cycle then stacked with other agents.

I have the solid ability to obtain Test legally, but not so much other "exotic" illegal items.

What are you thoughts on stacking Test with the myriad prohormones available on the market?

AND if this is something that could be done rather safely with good results, what prohormone products mimic or give results of various illegal anabolics? For instance, what prohormones out there, if any, would be equivelant to:

Nan-deca
D-bol
Anavar
Winstrol
EQ
Tren
etc...
 
i dont like the PH products-all they do is turn into hormone's once in your body-i would much rather inject the amount i wanted.
 
We all experience some source and supply issues with the fact gear isn't on the proper side of the law in almost any country (with the exceptions of HRT/TRT), but everything I have ever read here indicates the consensus it to just avoid prohormones and hold out for the real deal. A lot of prohormones should or do share the same legal status in the US (Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2005) so you might as well get the good stuff. Considering the costs are relatively similar (often I find gear can be cheaper), I would try to work to find a source. Just my opinion.
 
I tried pro-hormones many yrs back when you could get them at gnc. The only one that worked was NOR-19. I think it converts to nandrolone. But what I noticed when going back to it a few years later, I experienced no gains no matter what the dose. I think I was around 195lbs (18% bf) at the time. I don't think it will help on a serious cycle. There was no indication of post cycle therapy (pct) - I think the package advised waiting a couple of weeks and doing it again. The stuff caused side effects, bloating, depression and killed libido after 4 weeks.
 
Two very powerful prohormones that I know people around here use a lot: (remember, they DO have sides just like legit gear!!!)

Havoc by RPN.. i believe the same thing as Epistane. everyone that's done it claims mad gains

and then Spawn by Myogenix, i repeatedly here is absolutely badass. to quote another forum where someone reviewed several of these designer steroids: "Epistane/Tren combination This is the only PH I could see myself using again. Gained a solid 15 lbs and the body fat went up very little. Strength went through the fcking roof. I got better strength gains off of Spawn then when I ran Test/Dianabol. This is the closest anyone is going to get without touching real AAS. It is really once kick ass OTC steroid."

these two are the only two that I repeatedly hear about. doubtless there are more but these are both cheap and effective (according to what I hear first hand around here, i have never done either)

the team here gets both under the table from a local supplement shop. they are not allowed to be on shelves here.. not sure about the technical legal status though
 
manofmany said:
m1,4add has about a 10-15% conversion rate to d-bol, FYI.
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How could one compound, such as 4-androstenediol (4-AD), break down in the body into an entirely different compound like Methandrostenolone (D-bol)? 4-AD has a 15% conversion rate into testosterone, not into D-bol. It can never convert into a more or equally complex structure like Dianabol.
 
bowtie said:
I would seriously question this statement.

Most PH are junk, more dirty sides than gear...
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Please be aware that I did not say that. That is a direct quote from a review on several pro-hormones from another board... believe a link is not allowed though due to competing boards or whatever...

BUT, I can say that I see huge gains from the stuff in several team mates that use it. They all love it. Remember it is a combination of Epistane (Methylated Epitiostanol), and Methylated Tren. I don't know of anyone that has done a legit cycle of Test and Dbol as well asone of Spawn to compare though.

Remember, it is a serious steroid with serious sides and will require PCT!
 
ScrawnyLawyer84 said:
How could one compound, such as 4-androstenediol (4-AD), break down in the body into an entirely different compound like Methandrostenolone (D-bol)? 4-AD has a 15% conversion rate into testosterone, not into D-bol. It can never convert into a more or equally complex structure like Dianabol.
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Dianabol: 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-1,4-androstadien-3-one

M1,4add: 17a-methyl-1,4-Androstadiene-3,17diol

M1,4add is a prohormone to dianabol. You're thinking of a 4ad which is a prohormone to boldenone.
 
The only OTC that I like and will still use until I run out is SuperDrol, not the SuperDrol NG but the original. A few years back when it was out I read on a few sites that Anabolic Xtreme was going to stop manufacturing SuperDrol so I stocked up (20 bottles having 9 bottles left). I actually sold 3 or 4 of them for close to $200 a piece. This stuff was just amazing for being a legal supp. I would easily put on a good 12-15 pounds of lean mass that was fairly easy to sustain after use. I usually throw SuperDrol in the first 4-6 weeks of my cycles to kick start them. One cycle i'll use DBol and the next I'll use the S-Drol. On my current cycle I'm thinking I may use to when i'm done the cycle and done PCT. Will use it as a bridge to my next cycle although I may want to give my levels a chance to get back to normal without anything effecting them. How does everyone else feel about SuperDrol?
 
I've used my share of PH's before every touching real gear...only four I would ever touch again...1: Methyl 1-d (only because I kept every single pound I gained from it with little sides associated, but very little gains...about 5 pounds was it but its nice when people dont say "You've lost a lot of it" haha) as well as their Mastervol because I noticed decent strength gains and didn't seem to lose them either), third Spawn (the MYogenix one...be careful...a lot of "clones" that suck booty!), but best of all one made underground locally that still contains a high dose of Tren even after the new law...and it has a dustanon extract in it, but it will shut down your immune system) The D-Plexx is made by a guy that owns his own little shop here locally however, and I haven't seen too many similar compounds (Spawn was the closest to it) but I had 30 pounds in gains, strength EXPLODED, but lost 15 in water weight, and kept the other 15.

Either way, the real gear of course henders way more solid results however. Your pick.
 
Prohormones are def not the real thing but are nowhere near complete junk. I ran spawn and extreme tren and had amazing results with both. With extreme tren my strength was higher than my first test cycle and thats a fact. Granted i was younger, but my bench went up like 20lbs a week or some crazy shit like that. I also kept almost all of the gains, as it was very little water. Different guys have different experiences and thats that
 
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