??SWALE's Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Protocol??

[RedHorse]

??SWALE's HCG Protocol??

He writes...."I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle."

What does he consider the "end of a cycle?"

I like to use TestCyp and that sht stays in my body for 2 weeks after the last injection. Do I take my last HCG injection with my last Cyp injection or do I continue taking HCG throughout those 2 weeks since the Cyp is still present in my body?

Thanks

 

[eastarr69]

i would think end of cycle would be after gear is gone, as you would with most regular post cycle therapy as clomid.....but i could be wrong...

E

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Re: ??SWALE's HCG Protocol??

He writes...."I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle."

What does he consider the "end of a cycle?"

End of cycle is the day you do your last injection.

 

[eastarr69]

Re: Re: ??SWALE's HCG Protocol??

End of cycle is the day you do your last injection.

I stand corrected....

so..this would go for HCG then correct?

One would not start clomid after the last injection correct?

E

 

[Bimmer]

If I were you I would wait a week, and then begin your PCT.

 

[bronco944]

id do 500 iu's ed for a week to a week and a half after your last cyp injection, then start clomid 2 weeks after your alst cyp shot.

 

[Mudge]

Re: Re: ??SWALE's HCG Protocol??

End of cycle is the day you do your last injection.

Agreed. The idea is to let the stuff clear your system, the cyp is still obviously strong enough so running HCG for another week after your last injection is no big deal, but it will cause aromatase action etc from the bump in your test levels.

 

[LAWNSAVER]

Re: Re: Re: ??SWALE's HCG Protocol??

Agreed. The idea is to let the stuff clear your system, the cyp is still obviously strong enough so running HCG for another week after your last injection is no big deal, but it will cause aromatase action etc from the bump in your test levels.

I have read many abstracts that say that HCG at low doses does basically nothing to estrogen levels.

Swale has the articles to back that statement.

 

[simpllyhuge]

im still confused about this whole hcg through out thing. how much hcg do you need.

 

[LAWNSAVER]

im still confused about this whole hcg through out thing. how much hcg do you need.

Just enough to keep the LH signal going to the testicles. This signal, although weak, will prevent the testicles from shrinking.

If we prevent this from happening, we can then transition into post cycle therapy (pct) with having to worry about reverting the atrophy with our post cycle therapy (pct). If that happens, it will only slow the recovery!

As for the dose, it is an inividual thing. I take 500ius every 4 days and that works for me. I also took 300ius every Saturday and Sunday and that worked well too.

Obviously the smallest amount is the way to go, but you will have to check your testicles as the cycle progresses to figue out the right dose for you.

 

[Mudge]

Re: Re: Re: Re: ??SWALE's HCG Protocol??

I have read many abstracts that say that HCG at low doses does basically nothing to estrogen levels.

Since estrogen in the male comes from aromatase action yes, more specifically I should have said simply that the worry Swale stated was when high doses are used which they believe is what kills leydig cells (aromatase action itself he said, which was why a-blocker was recommended).

 

[LAWNSAVER]

Anti-As are not good while trying to recover! If you lower your E levels too much you will kill your libido even more

The doses that we are talking about will not elevate estrogen to casue any problems. The time we are taking the HCG will not matter as we are not worrying about the HPTA.

 

[Mudge]

Not for recovery, while on cycle he recommended it.

My question on aromatase action killing leydig cells would be - why? Is it because the body thinks we are becoming a woman?

 

[simpllyhuge]

so how much hcg should one have on hand for their first time?

 

[zziggzzigg]

why not start the nolva/clomid a little earlier, it couldn't possibly hurt recovery I wouldn't think...

I was curious about the applications of a long low dose taper of hcg as well, but I am wondering if hcg itself suppresses the hypothalmus, or if the hypothalmus just reacts to estrogen and testosterone that might be stimulated by hcg... if hcg in itself is suppressive in a special way, that might preclude its use being advantageous long term...

 

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