Taking the plunge on a first cycle while on TRT

[desertfoxfm]

I have read a bunch of first cycle recommendation threads on here, but not much for someone on TRT. I am 31 years old, 5'8, 170lbs and have been working out for about 3 years. I have made good progress but feel that if I am ever going to try this stuff, now is the time as I am not getting any younger. I have been on TRT for about 4 months now taking 60mg of Axiron a day (two doses if anyone is familiar with Axiron). I am just not too sure if already taking testosterone would mess with me if I decided to try other stuff.

Would anybody have any recommendations for a newbie on TRT? Thank you in advance!

 

[desertfoxfm]

it's all the same just don't plan a PCT..

500mg of test for 10-15weeks... get blood work done while on cycle and again when you go back to your TRT dose.. about 5 weeks after you go back to TRT dose

you still need to take an AI, if you are already on one, you will need to find the dose that works for the higher levels of test..

after your cycle you just return to your normal injection protocol

Thank you for your advice! I am currently taking Axiron which is like a deodorant, and at 60mg per day I calculate I get about 420mg of testosterone per week (give or take some loss due to it not being injected). If I take 500mg of test it wouldn't be that much different than what I am currently taking now, right? And I am not currently on an AI although I am going to eventually ask my doctor for one.

 

[Buzzbait]

Thank you for your advice! I am currently taking Axiron which is like a deodorant, and at 60mg per day I calculate I get about 420mg of testosterone per week (give or take some loss due to it not being injected). If I take 500mg of test it wouldn't be that much different than what I am currently taking now, right? And I am not currently on an AI although I am going to eventually ask my doctor for one.

I'm no expert on roll on testosterone, but if you are "rolling" on 420 ew, your already on a cycle. A roll on cycle?

 

[PrinceDianabol]

I'm no expert on roll on testosterone, but if you are "rolling" on 420 ew, your already on a cycle. A roll on cycle?

Topical absorption is shithouse. I highly doubt hes getting anywhere near that amount from a roll on lol.

Injecting 500mg test will be way more effective.

 

[hiram1st]

I have read a bunch of first cycle recommendation threads on here, but not much for someone on TRT. I am 31 years old, 5'8, 170lbs and have been working out for about 3 years. I have made good progress but feel that if I am ever going to try this stuff, now is the time as I am not getting any younger. I have been on TRT for about 4 months now taking 60mg of Axiron a day (two doses if anyone is familiar with Axiron). I am just not too sure if already taking testosterone would mess with me if I decided to try other stuff.

Would anybody have any recommendations for a newbie on TRT? Thank you in advance!

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

Read that thread and all its links.

Welcome to ology

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Yeah ~420mg of that spray isn't anywhere equivalent to the same amount injected because of absorption.

Also, I would consider doing injections over that spray shit for MANY reasons.

 

[DucBase]

I have a friend who used axiron for a while and I think 60/day is a pretty normal starting dosage, maybe equivalent to 100/week of test cyp. You will definitely notice 500/week.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

I have a friend who used axiron for a while and I think 60/day is a pretty normal starting dosage, maybe equivalent to 100/week of test cyp. You will definitely notice 500/week.

Yeah pretty much...

 

[Megatron28]

One other suggestion. I would keep using the axiron while running your blast. This should give you an easier transition on and off cycle.

Reminders

Make sure you get blood work while on cycle.

Make sure you leave enough time for your test levels to come down before a doctor appointment.

Watch hematocrit, blood pressure, kidney and liver values. Post blood work results here if you don't know how to read/interpret them.

Estradiol will be the most challenging part of managing a blast.

Make sure your significant other is ready for your crazy high libido that is about to be inflicted upon him or her.

Even though you don't need to run PCT, get Raloxifene to have on hand just in case you have trouble managing estradiol and start to get gyno. This will allow you to nip it in the bud. Or perhaps even run it as an insurance policy.

Make sure your diet is squared away.

By the way, what is your body fat %?

 

[desertfoxfm]

One other suggestion. I would keep using the axiron while running your blast. This should give you an easier transition on and off cycle.

Reminders

Make sure you get blood work while on cycle.

Make sure you leave enough time for your test levels to come down before a doctor appointment.

Watch hematocrit, blood pressure, kidney and liver values. Post blood work results here if you don't know how to read/interpret them.

Estradiol will be the most challenging part of managing a blast.

Make sure your significant other is ready for your crazy high libido that is about to be inflicted upon him or her.

Even though you don't need to run PCT, get Raloxifene to have on hand just in case you have trouble managing estradiol and start to get gyno. This will allow you to nip it in the bud. Or perhaps even run it as an insurance policy.

Make sure your diet is squared away.

By the way, what is your body fat %?

Wow what great information from you and every one else in this thread. Thank you so much for helping a random internet stranger out! I would estimate my body fat to be about 15-20 percent. My diet is about 90 percent on point...no alcohol, not a lot of sugar, just the occasional weekend cheat meal. I have been bulking but I could get it lower on a cut.

So you're thinking about 500mg of test cyp a week, an AI and continuing to use my Axiron for a 12 week cycle or so is decent for a first cycle?

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Wow what great information from you and every one else in this thread. Thank you so much for helping a random internet stranger out! I would estimate my body fat to be about 15-20 percent. My diet is about 90 percent on point...no alcohol, not a lot of sugar, just the occasional weekend cheat meal. I have been bulking but I could get it lower on a cut.

So you're thinking about 500mg of test cyp a week, an AI and continuing to use my Axiron for a 12 week cycle or so is decent for a first cycle?

That's what we're here for man! I personally would just drop the Axiron and do 500mg per week on shots... What is the Axiron dose putting you at anyway on your bloodwork. Test is versatile and you can cut, bulk or recomp on it.

RUI stock ancillaries if required.

 

[Megatron28]

That's what we're here for man! I personally would just drop the Axiron and do 500mg per week on shots... What is the Axiron dose putting you at anyway on your bloodwork. Test is versatile and you can cut, bulk or recomp on it.

RUI stock ancillaries if required.

I don't feel strongly about continuing the axiron the whole cycle, but I think it would smooth the transition into and out of the blast.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

I don't feel strongly about continuing the axiron the whole cycle, but I think it would smooth the transition into and out of the blast.

I agree maybe starting the Axiron from the last shot onwards would be best and provide a good transition, Test E will take a good 2-3 weeks to clear out anyway.

 

[desertfoxfm]

That's what we're here for man! I personally would just drop the Axiron and do 500mg per week on shots... What is the Axiron dose putting you at anyway on your bloodwork. Test is versatile and you can cut, bulk or recomp on it.

RUI stock ancillaries if required.

I'm actually going for my first blood test since starting TRT on Saturday. I'm not sure what it will be at but I certainly feel more energetic, have a higher labido, and generally feel stronger.

One last question for you guys! Looking into Test and how it is sold it seems to come in vials (for example, Testosterone Phenylpropionate 100mg/1ml (10ml/vial)

In that case I'd be using about 5 vials per week right?

 

[Megatron28]

I'm actually going for my first blood test since starting TRT on Saturday. I'm not sure what it will be at but I certainly feel more energetic, have a higher labido, and generally feel stronger.

One last question for you guys! Looking into Test and how it is sold it seems to come in vials (for example, Testosterone Phenylpropionate 100mg/1ml (10ml/vial)

In that case I'd be using about 5 vials per week right?

In that example, the vial would have 1000mg in it. So figure it how many mg you are running per week.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

I'd just go with Test E or C and pin it 2x a week... Of course using Test PP is still fine, I would inject it E3D at most, E2D is optimal, you do get less hormone per ml compared to long esters as they typically come in 200-300mg/ml concentrations. Test PP will also kick in faster and clear out faster if some need for bloodwork had to come up and you don't want your doc to know you were blasting.

I'm an advocate for frontloading as well, so you could always do a 1000mg shot as your first shot, then continue on with 250mg shots 2x per week to achieve stable blood levels faster.

 

[DucBase]

if you havent even gotten bloods while on TRT ,,, id hold off on a blast till your on TRT for at least a year... you need to get your base line levels established..

also short esters like prop or p prop is stupid for a first cycle.. stick to e or c.. and i'd also talk to your doctor about switching to injectables... just say you've done some research into the differences and you dont want to expose your significant other/ children to the roll on shit...

youll thank me later for getting on cypionat..

That's really good advice there. I didn't catch that you hadn't gotten bloods done yet. Quite often the doc will look at those first test results and adjust your dose...then you wait about 6 weeks and check again...repeat as necessary. It can take a while to get your dose dialed in and your AI as well. If you start messing with things before then you and your doc may likely be chasing your tails around for a while. And if you really screw it up (like I did), doc gets pissed and cuts your dose and wants you to do bloods all the time.

 

[cybrsage]

I have a friend who used axiron for a while and I think 60/day is a pretty normal starting dosage, maybe equivalent to 100/week of test cyp. You will definitely notice 500/week.

I used it for 6 months and my levels were the same as if I did not use it. Apparently my body immediately sweat it all right back out. I do consider myself lucky that happened, for then I had no choice left but to go to injections. I had previously tried Androgel and had HORRIFIC sides from it.

 

[desertfoxfm]

That's really good advice there. I didn't catch that you hadn't gotten bloods done yet. Quite often the doc will look at those first test results and adjust your dose...then you wait about 6 weeks and check again...repeat as necessary. It can take a while to get your dose dialed in and your AI as well. If you start messing with things before then you and your doc may likely be chasing your tails around for a while. And if you really screw it up (like I did), doc gets pissed and cuts your dose and wants you to do bloods all the time.

Should I actually be on an AI right now? All my doctor has prescribed for me is Axiron. That's all I am taking. To be honest with you the doctor I go to doesn't really seem like she knows much about this stuff (I think she's actually a Physician's Assistant and not a full-fledged doctor). I didn't know that I should be on an AI even just on TRT but I guess I might bring that up to her.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Injections will always be the best method for TRT, hands down, the only bad thing is you gotta deal with a little pin prick... But its such a tiny price to pay for feeling great and being healthy.