Test 400 & Eq 300 post cycle therapy (pct) and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) - Previous shutdown!

[bigben66]

Test 400 & Eq 300 PCT and HCG - Previous shutdown!

Advise needed for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and PCT dosages for my proposed cycle

I did a 12 week cycle of Test 400 and Deca 300 with Oral D'bol last year and finished up just after New Year...
I STUPIDLY didn't run any PCT and I'm now suffering bad shutdown.

My GP tried me on Testogel sachets with no success and the only thing that seems to help is Cialis...

He has suggested that I run another cycle and then run a strong PCT afterwards which may get me functioning again... he also suggested running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the cycle...

I've managed to get my hands on some Test 400 and Equipoise 300 and have the option of some Anavar orals too.

My plan was to run the Test 400 and Equipoise 300 at 1mg p/w for ten weeks, add the Anavar to tighten up in the last 4/5 weeks.

Could anyone advise me on the best way to run the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and a good PCT - bearing in mind my previous problems with the shutdown.

I'm 41, in good shape (see profile pic) and a good level of CV fitness.

Please help!

 

[30yostarter]

I'm not sure why your doc would suggest you run another cycle in order to get your boyz back? That will have no affect on your bounce back because that is exogenous, so suppresses you further. In order to get your endogenous hormones back, you'd need to run some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to fire up yer nads.

If you are wanting to/planning on running a cycle (not contributory to getting yourself running at homeostasis again), run the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) the whole time at around 1000iu per week (split in 2 or 3 over the week) and then a blast at the end, before firing up a proper nolva/clomid post cycle therapy (pct).

Advise needed for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and post cycle therapy (pct) dosages for my proposed cycle

I did a 12 week cycle of Test 400 and Deca 300 with Oral D'bol last year and finished up just after New Year...
I STUPIDLY didn't run any post cycle therapy (pct) and I'm now suffering bad shutdown.

My GP tried me on Testogel sachets with no success and the only thing that seems to help is Cialis...

He has suggested that I run another cycle and then run a strong post cycle therapy (pct) afterwards which may get me functioning again... he also suggested running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the cycle...

I've managed to get my hands on some Test 400 and Equipoise 300 and have the option of some Anavar orals too.

My plan was to run the Test 400 and Equipoise 300 at 1mg p/w for ten weeks, add the Anavar to tighten up in the last 4/5 weeks.

Could anyone advise me on the best way to run the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and a good post cycle therapy (pct) - bearing in mind my previous problems with the shutdown.

I'm 41, in good shape (see profile pic) and a good level of CV fitness.

Please help!

 

[bigben66]

Thanks for your advice 30yo...
My doctor actually asked me if I was thinking about doing another cycle, I told him I wasn't sure but that I was tempted, as my libido was good when using the last lot of test 400... He said that it wouldn't do me any harm to try another cycle as long as I ran a strong post cycle therapy (pct) with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) this time round...
My libido should improve on the Test 400 again shouldn't it?
I've got a vacation/holiday booked at the end of July - hence the reason for running a 10 week cycle up til then and including the Anavar - what would your advice be regarding the post cycle therapy (pct)?
I've got 8000mg of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) available - should I start my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on week three and run 1000mg a week for the duration of the 10 weeks - or start it on week four so that I finish the 10 weeks with a double hit in week 10?
My vacation is for 2 weeks - so am I right in thinking I take my Clomid and Nolvadex two weeks after last Test 400 pin?
Could anyone advise on good Clomid and Nolvadex dosages bearing in mind my shutdown problems last time?
Cheers for any help guys... I want to get this right this time!

 

[30yostarter]

Indeed your libido should be good on cycle, as you are pumping test into you! And no, I wouldn't say another cycle will harm you necessarily, if you are already shut down, it just won't 'help' kick start your libido --> its the post cycle therapy (pct) (and HCG) that will do that.

There are many different HCG regiments out there, and opinions. By far I see the 250iu twice per week the most common, and that dose is from the start of the cycle. This is a maintenance dose. I myself usually start mid cycle and go a little higher (1000iu per week (500x2)). Even 1000iu is a relatively small dose, if you read into clinical doses. With 8000iu's available, IMO 5 weeks of 1000iu for your last 5 weeks, and then 3 full 1000iu shots (spread 5 days apart) would be a good plan as you roll into a post cycle therapy (pct) (the 1000iu shots being within your 2 cruising weeks).

Don't take my word for it on the HCG though, there are many papers out there to read up on this stuff and decide for yourself. This is what has worked for me when I experience atrophy, which I do every cycle.

For post cycle therapy (pct) I only ever use Nolva, and have never used Clomid, so can't comment on the Clomid. Nolvadex is stronger and suggested better at bringing back your natural testosterone by Nolvadex increasing the responsiveness of LH (luteinizing hormone) to GnRH (gonadtropin releasing hormone).

A standard Nolvadex regiment is 40/40/20/20. But in your circumstance you may want to run it for like 6 weeks - 40/40/40/20/20/20.

Cheers -

 

[bigben66]

Thanks again 30yo, I like the sound of your HCG recommendations and will stick to them for this cycle.

When you say '2 cruising weeks' I presume you mean the 2 weeks after the last Test pin while the long Test 400 ester runs it's life?

That was my final question - I know that Test 400 has a long half life - but I've heard 2, 3 and even 4 weeks mentioned before commencing PCT... do you think 2 weeks will be long enough?

Your Nolvadex dosages sound good too - I do have Nolva and Clomid, so I guess I might aswell use them both if it will help my cause...

Thanks again 30yo - and if you do happen to have any advice on the duration of time between last Test 400 pin and starting PCT - I'd love to hear it!

 

[Kazmir]

Personally I run PCT as
hcg at 500iu/day for 10 days (started 2 days after last test shot)
nolva + clomid 40/20/20/20 and 100/50/50/50 respectively (started day after last HCG shot)

As well I find to get the full effect of eq it should be ran minimum 12 weeks at 600+mgs/week but thats me
whatever you decide on your doses they should be split into 2 injections per week to keep blood levels stable so if your doing a ml of each than each shot should consist of .5ml of test and .5ml of eq twice a week

 

[bigben66]

Thanks for the Eq advice Kazmir - you're not the first person to say that better results are to be found on longer cycles...

At the moment I only have the one bottle of the Eq and the Test, so I'll just have to make the best use of what I've got for now...

I'll certainly bear this in mind for future cycles though...

As for the HCG - the more I research it - the more I read that 'on cycle' is the way forward. I think considering my libido issues, and the fact that I'm currently shutdown. I'm tempted to go with 30yo's advice and start mid cycle... but I appreciate your thoughts mate.

Keep the advice coming peeps... I've got a gonad emergency!

 

[Moppy1]

Test gels suck. Find a GP that will prescribe you injectable test at 200mg a week.

 

[KingBF]

you wont even notice equipoise until week 6 and that's why they say run it at least 12 weeks. if your shutdown still from a cycle last year then why run another one. if I was in your shoes I would run another post cycle therapy (pct) before starting another cycle. cause there's a chance you might not ever recover properly and need to be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) already. if it was me this is what I would do.
blast hcg 500iu ed for at least ten days to see if you get your boys back and producing natty test again
then run a real post cycle therapy (pct) with clomid and nolva. 50mgs clomid ed and 20 mg nolva for 4 weeks works best for me.
get bloodwork before and after and you will know for sure

 

[bigben66]

Thanks King, appreciate your thoughts and advice