T-4 is 400mg of Test, so essentially more test then the average say 250mg. So find out how much you want so say you want 600mg per sweek then take 3/4 of a CC twice a week to equal 600mg. Dbol at 40mg ED for 4 weeks. Start at beginning of cycle for a kick-start or start at week 4 for a synergestic effect, personal choice.