Test-deca-hgh.. Does it make sense! Your advice appreciated.

[Thefirm]

I am ready for my cycle. I am 36, training for over 15 years, with a few breaks inbetween. Previously done 3-4 cycles of 10-12 weeks test e deca. I prefer to keep it simple. Tried winstrol once and lost my hair. Lol

I am thinking hgh(never used before) for approx 6 months, building upto 3iu and cruising at that dose.

wks 1-24 hgh
Wks 1-10 deca 300mg
Wks 1-12 test 5-750mg

Hcg throughout steroid cycle
Arimidex at hand if needed

Pct nolvadex clomid for 5 weeks, 2 weeks after last test jab.

I suffer from osteoarthritis, ankles (15 yrs). Muscle weakness and pain in calves. Deep tissue damage in neck/shoulder to the extent that I haven't touched bench press for 2 years. Neck would spasm immediately after a light set of 10 reps.
Incorrect form on biceps also triggers neck spasm. I can do flat dumbells press and incline barbell press at a decent heavy weight. But flat bench with a bar is a no go.
Shoulder workouts have been non existent, just very light shoulder press once a week for last few years. The spasms seem to occur once the muscle is pumped so I can't even do small weight with more reps, once the pump reaches a certain stage my neck/shoulder break down and I'm out the gym for approx 10 days.

The test helps the leg pains, and hugely improved my quality of life compared to off test. When I'm off test the calves ache so bad, keep me up most nights.

Deca seems to help the joints, but really I add it to the cycle because I've read it's a good mix with test.
I'm adding the hgh because I'm hoping to repair the shoulder damage, due to leg problems weight training is all I have left. Football cricket boxing martial arts etc all had to stop. I will try anything to make sure I can still lift.

So the question is.. Is it ok to run hgh with test and deca?
Should I add anything with the growth ie t3/t4 etc
Will it help the healing ? (My osteopath has recommended it, for the osteoarthritis and muscle damage)

Any other comments or help you guys can give me.
Thanks for your patience.

 

[Thefirm]

Steroids gets a lot of stick. But They help me sleep like a healthy person, cut my pain meds by half, on cycle I have no need for sleeping pills. I have the energy to do more with my kids, and I look and feel better with lots more energy and enthusiasm for life.

Why gp's can't see the benefits is a mystery.

 

[tbonexl]

Bump deca up to 14-16 weeks and test 2-3 weeks longer. Or get npp and run it for 10 weeks. Ai isn't something to have on hand or just in case. Use it! Start of cycle up to pct.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

 

[Repo]

HGH is great for just about any cycle - but I think it will work just fine with yours.

If you do shed any hair hGH might stop or reduce it... I've noticed this benefit when I
added it to a very heavy tren cycle... if I remember correctly I was running it at 5iu's.

I have also hears about the positive effects it has on osteoarthritis as well...

There's a lot of debate on what time of day is best for hGH injections and with all
of my research - night time before bed is best.

I would also add hCG throughout the cycle as well - I personally run 500iu's twice a week
5 weeks on 1 week off... "repeat." - You would want to discontinue hCG 4 days prior to
SERM treatment.

I've seen some debate on T3 with hGH lately but everything I've researched shows a positive
effect of the two - you just never want to go to high with your T3 dose - it's been known
for putting people into a catabolic state at 100mcg...

Me being me, had to put this to the test and found out the hard way... so I would only
go as high as 75-80mcg... I stay around 50mcg.

 

[Thefirm]

Thanks for the replies guys.. A little surprised, I thought for sure was gona get told I'm an amateur and the cycle needs to go in the bin.

I've read it's safer to take t4 instead of t3, is this true?
Do I take it throughout the hgh cycle?
Is everyone happy with 3iu ed or is the dosage too low?

The hgh I can get is hygetropin or euro pharma hgh (can't remember what it's called). am I right in saying these are not pharmaceutical? Which of these is a better hgh?
I've heard about nutropin genotropin etc, but it seems like getting these is impossible.

 

[SJC]

Arimidex at hand if needed


I swear to good I want to gouge my eyes out every time I read this. Its almost as bad as the Oral only threads started recently!

 

[Thefirm]

No need to gouge..
Watching discovery channel yesterday, and apparently we have this skin kinda substance, like blinds really.. Down they go and our eyes are covered. Back up and we can see again. I'm sure a little search on Google and you'll find instructions on how to use them next time you see something which annoys you!

Arimidex throughout cycle. Thanks for advice

 

[Thefirm]

Bump deca up to 14-16 weeks and test 2-3 weeks longer. Or get npp and run it for 10 weeks. Ai isn't something to have on hand or just in case. Use it! Start of cycle up to pct.

steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

What you said^^ or
1-24 hgh
1-10 npp (which is nandrolone, right?)
1-12 test

Then after approx 4 wks end of my hgh I will again repeat the deca test e cycle?
Or is that overkill.
I'm thinking the first cycle is more a healer and aid for my calf muscle issues. Then if after the gh I find the shoulder is repaired.. I can start a fresh roid cycle ready to train harder and heavier.

 

[tbonexl]

Read the post wrong

 

[China_Wall]

What you said^^ or
1-24 hgh
1-10 npp (which is nandrolone, right?)
1-12 test

Then after approx 4 wks end of my hgh I will again repeat the deca test e cycle?
Or is that overkill.
I'm thinking the first cycle is more a healer and aid for my calf muscle issues. Then if after the gh I find the shoulder is repaired.. I can start a fresh roid cycle ready to train harder and heavier.

running the npp is fine for 10 wks, but remember it's gotta be injected more frequently, every 2nd or 3rd day.

The gh is NOT gonna repair your shoulder, especially if it's a joint/tendon problem. If it's a muscle injury gh can speed up the healing process.

As for the dosage, 3iu... that's on the low end of where gh can be effective for bodybuilding purposes (staying lean, muscle repair/growth etc)

 

[Thefirm]

Thanks for your help. I will try the gh, I got nothing to lose.. It may heal me, if not I should still see the other benefits.
So for a first timer what the ideal gh dosage?

 

[Roush]

Your GH needes to be dosed higher,, especially if it's not pharm grade. 6+ iu daily.
Personally I'd bump the deca up to 400 mg weekly