Test E and EQ cycle question

[tmacoo4]

Test E and EQ cycle question, added Pre Blood Work

Hey guys I'm sure this has been talked about many times but found many mixed results while searching. I'm going to run a Test E and EQ cycle but not sure of the length and dose I should run, I have seen many mixed results.

I was thinking of running a 14 week cycle, Test E at 500mg for 14 weeks and EQ at 600mg for 12 weeks, Does this sound ok? if not can I get you guys suggestions on the best length and dosage. Thanks

 

[Bigboss12]

Age, height, weight, years training, is this your first cycle? What about hcg or an AI? And pct plan?

 

[tmacoo4]

Age, height, weight, years training, is this your first cycle? What about hcg or an AI? And pct plan?

26 years old, 5'11, 180lbs, training for a 2 years in gym consistent but have been active in sports since high school. this is not my first cycle, have ran test E before when I was 22. Plan to run hcg 500iu every week up until pct. also plan to run AI as needed. Regular PCT
40/40/20/20 (nolva)
50/50/50/50 (clomid)

Also had blood work done a month ago which I can post.

 

[Bigboss12]

Looks good I would run the AI the whole cycle not as needed. Then maybe extend the EQ to 14-15 and test to 16 EQ takes so long to kick in and be effective I would run it as long as your comfortable with. Also watch hemocratic levels when on EQ. As for doses test is good and since its your first time with EQ I would say 600 is probably good

 

[tmacoo4]

Blood work as of 3-11-2015, blood taken at 11:30am

Test Name
CBC With Differential/Platelet Result Flag Reference Range Lab
WBC 6.3 , 10.8 x10E3/uL 01
RBC 5.17 , 4.14-5.80 x10E6/uL 01
Hemoglobin 16.2 , 12.6-17.7 g/dL 01
Hematocrit 45.9 , 37.5-51.0 % 01
MCV 89 , 79-97 fL 01
MCH 31.3 , 26.6-33.0 pg 01
MCHC 35.3 , 31.5-35.7 g/dL 01
RDW 13.6 , 12.3-15.4 % 01
Platelets 202 , 150-379 x10E3/uL 01
Neutrophils 59 % 01
Lymphs 25 % 01
Monocytes 14 % 01
Eos 1 % 01
Basos 1 % 01
Neutrophils (Absolute) 3.8 - 1.4-7.0 x10E3/uL 01
Lymphs (Absolute) 1.6 - 0.7-3.1 x10E3/uL 01
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.9 - 0.1-0.9 x10E3/uL 01
Eos (Absolute) 0.0 - 0.0-0.4 x10E3/uL 01
Baso (Absolute) 0.0 - 0.0-0.2 x10E3/uL 01
Immature Granulocytes 0 % 01
Immature Grans (Abs)
Comp. ********* Panel (14) 0.0 , 0.0-0.1 x10E3/uL 01
Glucose, Serum 87 , 65-99 mg/dL 01
BUN 19 , 6-20 mg/dL 01
Creatinine, Serum 1.10 , 0.76-1.27 mg/dL 01
eGFR If NonAfricn Am 92 , >59 mL/min/1.73 01
eGFR If Africn Am 107 , >59 mL/min/1.73 01
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 17 , 8-19 01
Sodium, Serum 140 , 134-144 mmol/L 01
Potassium, Serum 4.6 , 3.5-5.2 mmol/L 01
Chloride, Serum 98 , 97-108 mmol/L 01
Carbon Dioxide, Total 25 , 18-29 mmol/L 01
Calcium, Serum 10.2 , 8.7-10.2 mg/dL 01
**Verified by repeat analysis**
Protein, Total, Serum 7.4 , 6.0-8.5 g/dL 01
Albumin, Serum 5.2 , 3.5-5.5 g/dL 01
Globulin, Total 2.2 , 1.5-4.5 g/dL 01
A/G Ratio 2.4 , 1.1-2.5 01
Bilirubin, Total 0.8 , 0.0-1.2 mg/dL 01
Alkaline Phosphatase, S 82 ,39-117 IU/L 01
AST (SGOT)24 , 0-40 IU/L 01
ALT (SGPT) 39
Testosterone, Serum , 0-44 IU/L 01
Testosterone, Serum 497 , 48-1197 ng/dL 01
Comment: Comment 01
Adult male reference interval is based on a population of lean males up to 40 years old.
Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S
LH 5.9 ,1.7-8.6 mIU/mL
FSH, Serum 01

 

[Bigboss12]

I'm not an expert on blood work so I won't comment on that but the only thing I notice is hemocratic is on the high side so with EQ definitely donate blood every 56 daysish.

 

[tmacoo4]

Alright thanks I appreciate it! Should I give blood before starting since I'm on the high side?

 

[Bigboss12]

I mean that's your decision. It wouldn't hurt since you're going to be on EQ. I would wait till megatron sees this he will be able to give you a great response.

 

[ozzyozzy21]

I mean that's your decision. It wouldn't hurt since you're going to be on EQ. I would wait till megatron sees this he will be able to give you a great response.

When to give blood, when not to . . . High hemocrit is why I was one and done w EQ. Deg made me stronger and MORE HUNGARY, but wasn't worth the fact I had to keep close tabs on my hemocrit. I'd say go ahead and donate if you can. Hemocrit too high and they won't allow you to donate. Good luck

 

[Megatron28]

Your hematocrit looks fine right now. But Test and especially EQ will drive it up quickly. You are allowed to donated whole blood every 56 days so you want to time it right.

When do you want to start your cycle? If there is time to get a donation in before hand that would be good. If you are starting soon, you might be better off donating a few weeks into your cycle.

By the way, the joke ia that EQ gives you Yogurt Blood. Some guys have to give themselves their own therapeutic phlebotomies to be able to keep their hematocrit in check. Are you prepared to do that?

Have you considered running Deca instead of EQ? You will still have to donate blood on cycle, but it won't drive hematocrit up as much as EQ.

 

[tmacoo4]

Your hematocrit looks fine right now. But Test and especially EQ will drive it up quickly. You are allowed to donated whole blood every 56 days so you want to time it right.

When do you want to start your cycle? If there is time to get a donation in before hand that would be good. If you are starting soon, you might be better off donating a few weeks into your cycle.

By the way, the joke ia that EQ gives you Yogurt Blood. Some guys have to give themselves their own therapeutic phlebotomies to be able to keep their hematocrit in check. Are you prepared to do that?

Have you considered running Deca instead of EQ? You will still have to donate blood on cycle, but it won't drive hematocrit up as much as EQ.

Thanks for the response Megatron, I plan to run the cycle the end of April so I think I would have time to give blood before I start...

To be honest I'm not prepared to do m own therapeutic phlebotomies and dont want yogurt blood either.

I have thought about DECA over EQ but don't want to experience deca dick and I like that EQ has less sides other then it drives up your hematocrit up. So I'm starting to think of Deca a little more... Just have to figure out the pros and cons of both and make my decision. Megatron would you rather go Deca over EQ?

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Thanks for the response Megatron, I plan to run the cycle the end of April so I think I would have time to give blood before I start...

To be honest I'm not prepared to do m own therapeutic phlebotomies and dont want yogurt blood either.

I have thought about DECA over EQ but don't want to experience deca dick and I like that EQ has less sides other then it drives up your hematocrit up. So I'm starting to think of Deca a little more... Just have to figure out the pros and cons of both and make my decision. Megatron would you rather go Deca over EQ?

"Deca dick" is caused by uncontrolled prolactin/e2, not by deca itself. Run an AI and have prami or caber on hand in case prolactin comes up... confirm doses with bloodwork, you'll be fine. You won't get a limp dick simply for running deca - and even if you do fail to control things properly, get bloods & adjust the doses... Fixed!

 

[ELicit23]

Your hematocrit looks fine right now. But Test and especially EQ will drive it up quickly. You are allowed to donated whole blood every 56 days so you want to time it right.

When do you want to start your cycle? If there is time to get a donation in before hand that would be good. If you are starting soon, you might be better off donating a few weeks into your cycle.

By the way, the joke ia that EQ gives you Yogurt Blood. Some guys have to give themselves their own therapeutic phlebotomies to be able to keep their hematocrit in check. Are you prepared to do that?

Have you considered running Deca instead of EQ? You will still have to donate blood on cycle, but it won't drive hematocrit up as much as EQ.

Damn. Draw their own blood? Scary.
thats where having a nurse friend comes handy. Well... Unlike me where I banged her and never called back, now she hates me so im stuck either apologizing to her or paying her to draw my blood. Or just go every 56 days lol

 

[tmacoo4]

"Deca dick" is caused by uncontrolled prolactin/e2, not by deca itself. Run an AI and have prami or caber on hand in case prolactin comes up... confirm doses with bloodwork, you'll be fine. You won't get a limp dick simply for running deca - and even if you do fail to control things properly, get bloods & adjust the doses... Fixed!

Alright thanks for clarifying that. ha I will certainly have a AI. So I should run Deca at the same dose as the EQ at 600mg per week for about 12 weeks or longer. I'm going to try and give blood this week so I can lower my hemocrit before cycle and then give blood during cycle. Also at what point in the cycle should I get blood work again 4-6 weeks in?

 

[tmacoo4]

Damn. Draw their own blood? Scary.
thats where having a nurse friend comes handy. Well... Unlike me where I banged her and never called back, now she hates me so im stuck either apologizing to her or paying her to draw my blood. Or just go every 56 days lol

Right! don't think I could ever draw my own blood ha. Just apologize bang her again and get your blood draw for free, its a win win as long as shes a good bang but if you didn't call her back she must not have been ha

 

[Roush]

OP --
Eq is going to be a little more forgiving in the whole aromatization, water retention, estrogen control and blood pressure department.. Gains would be slower then that of deca.. Vascularity will increase with e2,, increase RBC / hematocrit is actually a benefit of EQ, increasing rbc translates to more o2 to the muscles and better performance,, that's why athletes take AAS and do blood doping, to increase RBC. . So don't be too afraid of the increase of rbc, that's a plus, but you have to keep it under control and not get too high.

As for deca,, I'm a fan, I'm running two nandrolones together right now at 700 mg.. Deca is a great muscle and mass builder, strength goes up as well, and joints feel great.. Not as forgiving as EQ in regards to controlling BP, water retention, estrogen sides-- note: deca does not convert to estrogen to a high degree, but for some reason it seems to increase the rate at which testosterone converts to estrogen.. It also has the ability to cause Gyno through the progesterone prolactin route.. So great muscle builder, a bit of bloat and a couple more sides to be aware of.

If it were me.. I'd run them both

 

[Megatron28]

Alright thanks for clarifying that. ha I will certainly have a AI. So I should run Deca at the same dose as the EQ at 600mg per week for about 12 weeks or longer. I'm going to try and give blood this week so I can lower my hemocrit before cycle and then give blood during cycle. Also at what point in the cycle should I get blood work again 4-6 weeks in?

Don't forget the Dopamine Agonist if you use Deca as Prince recommended. Having it on hand is essential.

 

[tmacoo4]

Don't forget the Dopamine Agonist if you use Deca as Prince recommended. Having it on hand is essential.

Alright, thanks for everything guys! I think I'm gunna try Deca this round. I have an appointment tomorrow to get my blood drawn. I will make sure to get Caber and some letro as well as the HCG and PCT stuff.

 

[Megatron28]

Alright, thanks for everything guys! I think I'm gunna try Deca this round. I have an appointment tomorrow to get my blood drawn. I will make sure to get Caber and some letro as well as the HCG and PCT stuff.

Don't get letro. It is way too powerful. Get arimidex or Aromasin for your AI.

 

[tmacoo4]

Don't get letro. It is way too powerful. Get arimidex or Aromasin for your AI.

Alright perfect! thanks megatron!