test e and tren a cycle advise

[Shonky]

this will be my 4th cycle first time on tren a im 38years old training 10 years 100kg about 15% body fat 182cm tall .goals lean muscle gain lose a bit of fat diet 260grams protein 200 carbs 80grams fat weight training 6 days a week cardio 45 min everyday
my plan was to run test p at 50mg ed week 1-10 and tren a 75mg ed 1-8 weeks pramipacol 0.5mg ed pct clomid 100/100/50/50
but the problem is can only get test e just need some advise if first will i still get the results im looking for just worried i will get to much water retention? 2nd should i front load the test 2 weeks then start tren? i would run test e at 250mg twice a week.or should i wait until i can get prop? any advise would be appreciated

 

[Shonky]

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[Shonky]

Bump

 

[crazybaked]

Well, This being your 4th cycle you should know what your answer is.... but, If you're only planning 10 weeks then don't use test e, use prop.. and if it were me, i'd front load that shit and start the tren a 2 weeks in. Also, your results depend on your diet.. eat clean, train hard and enjoy!

 

[Shonky]

Well, This being your 4th cycle you should know what your answer is.... but, If you're only planning 10 weeks then don't use test e, use prop.. and if it were me, i'd front load that shit and start the tren a 2 weeks in. Also, your results depend on your diet.. eat clean, train hard and enjoy!

hi it is my 4th cycle but only run test in the past. i didnt think i would need to front load prop as tren a and prop both have short esters ?? and do you think i would need to run test e longer then 10 weeks maybe 12 ? if i stopped them both at same time ill still have the test in my system for another 2 weeks with should be a good thing ??one more thing running tren with test e should the tren stop the bloat ??

 

[crazybaked]

hi it is my 4th cycle but only run test in the past. i didnt think i would need to front load prop as tren a and prop both have short esters ?? and do you think i would need to run test e longer then 10 weeks maybe 12 ? if i stopped them both at same time ill still have the test in my system for another 2 weeks with should be a good thing ??one more thing running tren with test e should the tren stop the bloat ??

Only front load if you're running test e.. yes, run the test e for longer than 10 weeks.. test e, I run for 14-16, prop I'll run for 12-14. Here's my suggestion:

Week 1-14: Test e@ 250mg Every 3rd day
Week 2-14: Tren a@ 100-150mg E.O.D.(depending on how you react)
A lot of people will say run tren higher than test, but for me too much tren= no sleep and puddles of sweat when I do sleep.. my "sweet spot " for tren is between 400-500mg a week, but I've only ran tren twice with crazy strength gains and leaned out a bunch.. some like running 1g of tren a week with 400-600 mg of test, not my cup of tea.

PCT 12-14 days after last pin

Or

Week 1-12: test prop@ 150-200mg E.O.D.
Week 1-12: tren a@ 125-150mg E.O.D.

PCT 2-3 days after last pin

And from my experience tren will not help with bloat, but it won't make you bloat by itself. You'll still want to run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or add masteron @ 150mg E.O.D. to help with bloat. Get blood work done so you know what's going on with your hormone levels. Also, there's nothing wrong with having test in your system longer then any other compound, you definitely don't want tren in your system longer than test though. Keep in mind this is only my opinion from my experience. Hopefully 4everbulking will chime in, he's more experienced with tren.

 

[Shonky]

Thanks for your advise

 

[Shonky]

I would just be worried about running tren for that long from what I've read you wouldn't run it longer then 8 weeks ??

 

[crazybaked]

I would just be worried about running tren for that long from what I've read you wouldn't run it longer then 8 weeks ??

Take some liver support, caber, milk thistle, and you'll be g2g.. If the sides get too bad at you can drop the tren and finish the test..

 

[Shonky]

I'm hoping from what I've read is that the pramipacol that I'm taking will help with prolactin control( fina dick) sleep and mood on while on the tren?

 

[Shonky]

pramipacol will do the same as caber without all the bad sides I've got liver guard . Thanks again

 

[crazybaked]

You seem set then.. other then not having the test of preference, enanthate is usually smoother with almost no PIP.