Test E cycle and some PCT

[GotEmAll]

I just obtained some gear and am about to start a cycle.
I will be useing some Test-E for 10-12 weeks.
I also have some arimidex and Nov.

The following is my plan.

I *250mg test E per week
*1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
*1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)

Now I would like to use some of the Nov during cycle try to keep the boys a little stimulated so they don't completly shut down, any recomendation
on what would be a good amount to use.

Then once I am done with the Test E, how long should I Post Cycle with the NOV and how much should I use?

Thanks,

 

[FerrariF50]

whats your age/weight/height?

250mg test enanthate is a fairly low dose for bulking.

nolvadex during cycle to stop hpta shutdown would be futile.
if your main concern is atrophy you shouldn't have any problems at that low dose of test.

pct should start 2 weeks after your last test enanthate jab.

 

[GotEmAll]

250mg is good enough for me , Im not trying to get beyond huge.
A couple of pounds is good enough for me.


I found this awesome article online about Test Using Testosterone for Muscle Gains. In it the writer recommends useing clomid, however after some good amount of research It would seem Nov is better then clomid. He also uses 500mg every week.

I'll do 250 week 1-4, 500 week 5-8, 250 week 9-12.


So once again, how long should I use the Nov for , how many weeks and how much for Pct??

And what would be a decent safe dosege to use during?

 

[Bub300]

I thought you've researched?

Keep the same dose throughout the entire cycle.

Like F50 said nolva won't prevent you from being shutdown. You will still be COMPLETELY shutdown from 10-12 weeks of test even at 250mgs.

PCT I would do ,
ADEX 4 weeks 1mg/day
Nolva 5 weeks 20mgs/day

If your running just 250mgs of test I would not run any Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or Serm (nolva) during the cycle. You shouldn't experience much bloat or any gyno. Also it will hinder gains if you do run it.

But , if you do see signs of gyno then run 20mgs of Nolva/day.

 

[gogetter]

arimadex is not needed for pct. i would take some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during cycle to help from shutting down too bad.

 

[Bub300]

arimadex is not needed for pct. i would take some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during cycle to help from shutting down too bad.

He will be shutdown so it would be WAY MORE beneficial to use arimidex for pct.

HCG won't help him "from shutting down too bad". You either get shut down or surpressed & he will be shutdown.

 

[gogetter]

taking Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) durring cycle WILL help with testicular atrophy, and will help maintaining his owns body's production by mimicking the LH signal thus instruction his testes to product his own naturla testosterone. rather then no Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and completely suppressing his own natural production. thsi way his nuts will still be producing throughout the whole cycle.

And as far as A-dex for post cycle therapy (pct) i will strongly disagree and i think many others on this board will too. in fact i disagree with A dex use as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) unless you must. Aromasin or AIFM is much better choice for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). not to mention possible damage to lipids from the arimadex

besides one needs some estrogen in their body to help with restoring natural production, bringing E levels too low will not be usefull in post cycle therapy (pct) situation. in fact A dex or Letro would be your worse choice FOR post cycle therapy (pct). if you must use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during post cycle therapy (pct). stick with aromasin or af store's AIFM.

either way nolva and clomid are what you need for post cycle therapy (pct). and run some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) durring your cycle. and if you need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) use AROMASIN OR AIFM.

 

[FerrariF50]

I'll do 250 week 1-4, 500 week 5-8, 250 week 9-12.

this will just leave you with unstable blood levels. it's better to remain consistent with your dose.

So once again, how long should I use the Nov for , how many weeks and how much for Pct??

And what would be a decent safe dosege to use during?

run nolvadex for 3 weeks.

try

day 1: 80mg
next 10 days: 40mg
next 10 days: 20mg

 

[zorgus]

1 question, so many different people, so many answers, different answers.... and so many web pages with different info, as a newbie... i'm finding it very hard to decide what to follow

ie, not to use nolva while on a cycle unless gyno...
and for post cycle therapy (pct) for 3 weeks 100/60/40 nolva..

?

 

[gogetter]

100/60/40..?????? over kill my friend. i find it better to cruse a small ammount for a while rather then do blast a shit load into my system. 40/20/20/20 i have or use clomid 100/50/50/50

 

[GotEmAll]

this will just leave you with unstable blood levels. it's better to remain consistent with your dose.



run nolvadex for 3 weeks.

try

day 1: 80mg
next 10 days: 40mg
next 10 days: 20mg

Thanks for the advice, you say to remain consistant would be better.

What about the following for the Test
500mg 1-4, 400mg 5-8, 250mg 9-12.

Gradually lowering the doseage? Or is still a better idea to just do
250mg 1-12.

 

[GotEmAll]

arimadex is not needed for pct. i would take some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during cycle to help from shutting down too bad.

Actually, the reason for the arimidex during the cycle is more to combat
the conversion of Test to estrogen (don't want them man boobs), and to combat water retention.

The following is taken from the Steroid Profile listed under profiles
Arimidex:

"When used with strong, readily aromatizing androgens such as Dianabol or testosterone, gynecomastia and water retention can be effectively blocked. In combination with Propecia (finasteride), we have a great advance. With the one drug halting estrogen conversion and the other blocking 5-alpha reduction , related side effects can be effectively minimized."

And the Finasteride "Fincar" is used in blocking 5 alpha reduction, which helps the prostate and my hair.

 

[gogetter]

yes. thank you gotemall for pointing out the obvious. ARIMADEX is an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). which is an aromatose inhibitor. it really does not do much for post cycle therapy (pct) use. which is why i stated to use it durring cycle to combat bloat and estrogen. but Also like i stated before there are much better choices for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). such as aromasin or AIFM.

ALSO i mentioned the use of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to prevent testicular atrophy, and to help with PCT

And for post cycle therapy (pct) A-dex really does not have a use here unless estro sides are carried into PCt and one wants to remain protected from the rebound caused by nolva and clomid. but this rare. Still one would opt for Aromasin or AIFM. both are better choices as A-dex can have negative effects on lipids

and for tapering the test stick to a single does the whole cycle with an optional front load.

 

[estray]

My suggestion would be run 500mg a week of Test, 250iu 2x a week of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) starting week 2 or 3, and you can give the adex a shot if your worried about water gain. It will certainly help you from gaining fat during the cycle related to excessive estrogen. On the other hand, it could hurt your gains too. Its really a guessing game.

ie, not to use nolva while on a cycle unless gyno...
and for post cycle therapy (pct) for 3 weeks 100/60/40 nolva..

?

Those sound like clomid doses. way too much for nolva.

nolvadex during cycle to stop hpta shutdown would be futile.
.

Agreed.

I thought you've researched?

Keep the same dose throughout the entire cycle.

Like F50 said nolva won't prevent you from being shutdown. You will still be COMPLETELY shutdown from 10-12 weeks of test even at 250mgs.

PCT I would do ,
ADEX 4 weeks 1mg/day
Nolva 5 weeks 20mgs/day

If your running just 250mgs of test I would not run any Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or Serm (nolva) during the cycle. You shouldn't experience much bloat or any gyno. Also it will hinder gains if you do run it.

But , if you do see signs of gyno then run 20mgs of Nolva/day.

Adex is not suitable for PCT.

 

[gogetter]

My suggestion would be run 500mg a week of Test, 250iu 2x a week of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) starting week 2 or 3, and you can give the adex a shot if your worried about water gain. It will certainly help you from gaining fat during the cycle related to excessive estrogen. On the other hand, it could hurt your gains too. Its really a guessing game.





Those sound like clomid doses. way too much for nolva.


Agreed.



Adex is not suitable for PCT.

AGREED reps for estray

 

[estray]

AGREED reps for estray

Eh, i was just basically agreeing with your entire post.

 

[GotEmAll]

yes. thank you gotemall for pointing out the obvious. ARIMADEX is an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). which is an aromatose inhibitor. it really does not do much for post cycle therapy (pct) use. which is why i stated to use it durring cycle to combat bloat and estrogen. but Also like i stated before there are much better choices for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). such as aromasin or AIFM.

ALSO i mentioned the use of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to prevent testicular atrophy, and to help with PCT

And for post cycle therapy (pct) A-dex really does not have a use here unless estro sides are carried into PCt and one wants to remain protected from the rebound caused by nolva and clomid. but this rare. Still one would opt for Aromasin or AIFM. both are better choices as A-dex can have negative effects on lipids

and for tapering the test stick to a single does the whole cycle with an optional front load.

Thanks

Perhaps there are better Aromatase inhibitor (AI) then Arimidex, but thats all I have so thats all I can use.
I plan on useing it only during the cycle, not as a PCT.

For post cycle therapy (pct) all I have is the Nolva.

From what I'v been reading here, seems that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is a extremly Great thing to use to prevent complete atrophy during the cycle itself.

Damn it! now I don't know what to do, I have everything else except that.
Got the Test,Fincar,A-dex, Nolva.

 

[Bub300]

Where do you all get your information from?

ADEX is not suitable for post cycle therapy (pct) & won't be beneficial???? Are you serious?

Of course Aromasin is a better Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to use, but he mentioned Arimidex so I told him how to run it.

Show me a study that supports these claims. Please, Find one. Also find a study that supports Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) when ran during a cycle keeps your natty test from being shut down. Of course it keeps your testicles from atrophy but that has nothing to do with them becoming shutdown.

Post a actual medical study please, so I can see.

 

[estray]

For recovery you need a compound that will stimulate LH and FSH production. Arimidex has only been shown have little effect on LH and FSH. The problem is theres a study floating around out there that about arimidex that people keep misinterpreting. In essence, the study showed arimidex to lower estrogen and raise Testosterone in "Healty" 15-22 year old men, but this is through another mechanism altogether and has no bearing on what were talking about here. The test levels in these young men rose because adex was preventing aromatization of the test thats already circulating in their bodies into estrogen, not by stimulating new production. This is very important to keep in mind.



Clomid or novadex work by stimulating the pituitary to produce LH and FSH which in turn lead to testosterone production and are still the best choice. Furthermore, using Armidex in conjuction with clomid or nolvadex could have a negative consequences as you could knock your estrogen so low that you could be setting yourself up for estrogen rebound.

Adex just doesnt have any place post cycle imo. Its never been profiled as a drug for post cycle therapy (pct) and the only reason this keeps popping up on boards across the internet is because of peoples misinterpretaion of that single study and basic lack of knowledge about the mechanisms thru which these drugs work.

 

[gogetter]

Adex just doesnt have any place post cycle imo. Its never been profiled as a drug for post cycle therapy (pct) and the only reason this keeps popping up on boards across the internet is because of peoples misinterpretaion of that single study and basic lack of knowledge about the mechanisms thru which these drugs work.

Agreed. Now about using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during cycle to keep ones own testosterone stiumulating i have found this or your reading enjoyments from steroidologys own website


While Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) offers the female no performance enhancing ability, it does prove very useful to the male steroid user. The obvious use of course being to stimulate the production of endogenous testosterone. The activity of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in the male body is due to its ability to mimic LH (luteinizing hormone), a pituitary hormone that stimulates the Leydig's cells in the testes to manufacture testosterone.