KBD
BEAST***E
I never advocated to doing an oral only cycle. I just stated an example.
test e deca and winstrol need help
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I never advocated to doing an oral only cycle. I just stated an example.
3J
Super Moderator
While I do agree with the principle of your diet playing a deciding factor in your goals, there is a reason why compounds are traditionally paired up with either cutting or bulking... Can you do both, yes of course.. But you want to be strategic in your choices. I personally agree with the theme of the responses you have received.. Its not the best bulking compound
KBD
BEAST***E
I've numbered the issues I will address & am going to try & keep this respectful but forgive me if I cross a line somewhere
1) Scientifically winstrol has been shown to bind less to the AR receptors than traditional bulking compounds like deca, test, anadrol, etc.
Can it help with strength? Sure. Is it going to build good quality muscle to a degree sufficient to say it should be used in bulk cycles? No - a basic study on the pharmacology of the compound will confirm this.
I'm all for getting our diets dialed in BUT don't pretend that the choice of steroid doesn't influence the level of muscle mass gained - read up on the history of steroids & you'll realise that this was one of the reasons why other quality steroids were created outside of plain old test.
Also, critisizing tbone for not providing scientific evidence to back up his statement when your doing the same thing - really? Really??
Your defending winstrol based on your own personal experiences NOT science - think before you preach to others.
2)There are some rules to cycling - using test as a base, not stacking a bunch of orals together, etc.
Again all compounds may be anabolic BUT not to the same degree - you seem really determined to say the gains will be the same regardless if the compounds your running - they won't.
3) The reason members like tbone get frustrated with some STUPID questions is because they have already been answered time, and time, and TIME again.
It is not difficult to read the stickies & use the search bar and find your answers, creating a thread to an already question is plain LAZY - no other way to describe it.
In fact the reason alot of vets leave boards like this is because they get sick & tired of the same issues being discussed.
4) Your example of var vs natty is stupid on so many levels that I can't really begin to describe.
Summary:
Winstrol may have a place on a bulk but based on its cost & benefits offered to muscle gains, its not worth it.
In the future please refrain from bashing another board member for their advice without having solid data to back up yours.
Oh, so you guys get sick and tired of answering people's questions? Then what the fuck are you doing on a forum that helps answers people's questions. Oh I'm
Sorry that you have to deal with people's "STUPID QUESTIONS". I'm in pharmacy school, news flash and you think my professors are dicks? They have to answer THE SAME QUESTIONS EVERYDAY. Your DAMN RIGHT I'm basing it off of myself because everyone IS DIFFERENT. Winstrol will most definitely add mass in a caloric surplus (AS MUCH AS TEST? NO!)I'm not stating to do oral only cycles, they are examples. Stop trying to be a smart ass because it's not working, you go by off dumbass studies that people you don't even personally know post online, I see your guys "study battles" where you post studies back and forth arguing points which is so silly. Me? I gain more on test and var vs test and tren. Explain that? I gain more on dbol vs Anadrol, explain that? Oh, Anadrol has an extremely low binding affinity to the AR receptor so it should work for just about anyone. I have an explanation, EVERYONES DIFF. The point is, if you guys are gonna be answering people's questions, quit being fuck heads and help these people regardless of how many times you have to answer it, my professors do it, you guys can do it. I'm done arguing with you or anyone else, I have first hand experience, including 3 years of PHARMD school. So if anyone wants to boogie down some bio-chemistry and physical chemistry bring it on.
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KBD
BEAST***E
Do 1mg adex ed if your nipples are puffy for about 1-2 weeks the back down to 1mg eod and cruise. Trial and error, you'll learn as you go bud. No reason to drop winny keep doing what your doing just lift and eat!
^^ THIS IS ALL THIS GUY NEEDED, NOT A LECTURE.
Mrrippedzilla
MIA - PM only
Your professors get paid, its their jobs to answer student questions.
Vets on this site take the time out of real life to make contributions, your living in a dream world if you think their going to answer the same questions daily.
Yes its so dumb of me to show people studies, debate them & see how it can applied to real life.
Why should I look at factual studies when I can trust some random dudes knowledge based on experience - also know as broscience.
Since you wanted to enlighten me on your 3yrs of education (hope you do well) let me just say that I'm a bodybuilding coach with a masters based in nutrition.
I was also raised in a family of endocronoligists (the study of hormones).
I'm not trying to be a smart ass - I am one; so by all means try an defend your position on winstrol for bulking, but don't act like a bitch when someone challenges your position.
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tomjerry420420
New member
oh my goodness..I already started bulking up by reading all your replies...btw.. thanks a lot every buddy...specialy you beast :-D
KBD
BEAST***E
Not acting like a bitch, just defending my side as are you. Let's just leave it at that, he seems to have had his question answered. My apologies brother, no need to fight my bad. (It's the tren)
KBD
BEAST***E
Am I suppose to have thousands of posts like you, I mean I guess I can answer your question by sayig that I don't have time all day to sit around and stay on forums year-round all day long like you, only reason I'm even here now is because of summer break from college. But I drop in to ask some questions, actually HELP PEOPLE, and also make ass holes realize that they are being "ass holes". Good enough answer for you brother?
I guess your post count makes you smarter and a better knowledgable canidate on anabolics, I guess since you have 30x more posts than I do, YOUR BETTER than me. Is that how people are judged here? By their post count? Look like I said I'm done arguing. Just don't be an ass hole to people looking for help bro, HELP THEM.
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Rida5d
city of the sun
Brother u know how much I respect you , but still we are here to help others and to get help from others.
No one is getting paid and no one is forcing anyone to reply to a thread.
If someone thinks that the the thread posted is stupid , simply he can ignore answering.
I believe that it's our duty as humans to show each other the right way.
Google this , and read the stickies is always great, but we can add more to help others, if we think the opposite then the forum would lose it's purpose: gaining knowledge.
That guy had a point , he had a valid point in some, he screwed up in some , let's stay brothers and friends.
tomjerry420420
New member
thanks everyone..you guys are awesome..love you all
KBD
BEAST***E
Pm me if you have any questions brother, lift heavy eat good and cycle hard! Good luck!
Harnold
New member
my hair already very thin..don't want to get bald
hey brother, take advantage of the bald head being in style right now, take it all off. don't do a dr. Phil or George costanza, get rid of it, it's going anyway. comb overs are fcking brutal bro, deal with it now......lol......my 2cnts.
