Test e, deca, dbol cycle - low dose of deca, will I need caber?

[tomahawk]

I am getting ready to start my third cycle, the first cycle was test e only (500mg/week) and the second cycle was test e (500mg/week) with dbol added. Both went well. I want to add deca to my third cycle and would like some opinions on whether or not I will need caber if I use a low dose of deca.

Here is the cycle:

Week 1-12: Test E 500mg/week (2 x 250mg per week)
Week 1-6: Dbol 30-40mg/day (6 days per week)
Week 1-10: Deca 300mg/week
Week 5-14: HcG 500iu/week (2x250iu's, same days as test, but not in the same syringe)
Week 1-14: Aromasin 12.5mg EOD. Increase if experiencing gyno or bloating symptoms.
Week 15-18: Nolva 40/40/20/20
Week 15-18: Clomid 50/50/25/25
Week 1-12: Taurine 2g/day (if experiencing muscle cramps)
Week 1-12: Milk thistle 1000mg/day
Week 1-12: Saw Palmetto 500 mg/day ????????????Liver
Week 1-12: Hawthorn berry extract 1000mg/day
Week 1-12: Alpha Lipoic acid 200mg/day
Week 1-12: Liv 5.2
Week 15-18: Creatine (10g/day)
Week 15-18: Vit C (1g in morning and 1-2 g after workout)

Does anyone with experience think I should add .5mg of caber every third day, or is my deca dose low enough that I should be okay without the caber?

 

[tury694]

Keep the caber or prami handy. You got to turn this into a 14 week cycle in my opinion. That Deca will really shine in week 7 or 8 and then you stop at week 10, not a good idea. Run the deca for 12 weeks minimum and the overall cycle to 14 weeks. Other than that just adjust and it looks like a very solid cycle. I personally would run the dbol all 7 days of the week and only for 4 weeks, but probably won't make much difference.

 

[oldmusclemike]

IMOP best results with Deca is 600mg min a week, that's my experience as said in the steroid profiles. also .125 at EOD I'd rather you do .5 EOD with the Dbol and the test is too low normally but if your blood work is good go with that. I do not recommend no AI. Keep your safety rope tied off so to speak. Don't want to have to stop or reverse what starts without any AI. There are many side effects.

 

[Roush]

If you did the proposed cycle. -- at the end of it you are gonna feel your deca was bunk. 300 mg a week for 10 weeks is all won't do much,, your joints will start to feel a little better that's all

If you don't want to run the deca at least 14 weeks (and thus test 16 weeks),, and your set on 10 weeks, then you need to at least run NPP along with the deca until the deca kicks.
Personally I'd do
400-500 mg deca weeks 1-12
300-400 mg NPP weeks 1-8

So you'll be getting 700-900 mg of nandrolone a week (one fast acting ester one slow)

Keep caber or prami on hand in case prolactin issues arise

 

[New alias]

I definitely needed prami with npp, after 4 weeks on I went to rub one out and my shit went soft so I gave up. Only happened once and I was already running prami at .3mg... Upped the prami to .4mg ed and things went back to normal. If I have the same issue again I will add more prami.

I like Roush's idea and this is exactly what I will do in the future. I will also use test p to kickstart a test e/c cycle

 

[infinitypharm]

I've started a similar cycle but with T400/Deca300 every 4 days for 14/12 weeks, with 50mg of dbol a day for the first 6 weeks and taking arimidex .5mg eod. Do you feel proviron is a necessity to take with it?

 

[tomahawk]

Thanks for the feedback. After researching npp, I think I will use npp instead of deca. I do not want the bloat and it seems like there are also other advantages to npp. I am cutting the test in the cycle back to 10 weeks and am thinking about adding anavar. Here is my new cycle. Please let me know any further comments. Cheers.

Week 1-10: Test E 500mg/week (2 x 250mg per week, Sat,Wed in same syringe as NPP)
Week 1-10: NPP 300mg/week (2 x 150mg per week, Sat,Wed in same syringe as test)
Week 1-6: Dbol 30mg/day
Week 7-12: Anavar 50mg/day
Week 3-12: HcG 500iu/week (2x250iu's, same days as test, but not in same syringe)
Week 1-12: Aromasin 12.5mg EOD. Increase if experiencing gyno or bloating.
Week 13-15: Nolva 40/40/20/20
Week 13-15: Clomid 50/50/25/25
Week 13-15: Creatine (10g/day)
Week 13-15: Vit C (1g in morning and 1-2 g after workout)
Week 1-12: Taurine 2g/day (if experiencing muscle cramps)
Week 1-12: Milk thistle 1000mg/day
Week 1-12: Saw Palmetto 500 mg/day
Week 1-12: Hawthorn berry extract 1000mg/day
Week 1-12: Alpha Lipoic acid 200mg/day

 

[Roush]

Running back to back liver and lipid toxic Orals for 12 weeks is NOT a good idea!

You could develop major health issues and end up in the ER

 

[tomahawk]

Thank you. I will forget about the anavar.

 

[Roush]

Add some NAC for liver support,, way better then milk thistle.. Keep a close eye on your blood pressure when running the Dbol ,, I had mine spike up to 186/106 after just 3 days of Dbol and I was running arimidex, Water retention and elevated e2 can come on very fast , just stay on top of it and monitoring blood pressure daily is a good way to see what's going on