Test Enanthate/Deca cycle help!?!? Any advice welcome

[AKOG]

Hey guys this is my first real cycle. I shot some stuff a few years ago without doing any research or anything (go ahead and call me stupid if you want). I was planning on doing 12 weeks Test E (500/week) and deca (400/week). I was going to take nolva (20/day) from the beginning of cycle through pct, with pct starting 3 weeks after last jab. Pct plan was adding clomid (50/day) to the nolva for 3 weeks. Is this enough? Is hcg NECESSARY? I will not start until I have heard and considered all advice and have everything needed in hand. I want to be safe and smart about it.

Stats
5' 10
180
13% bf

 

[AKOG]

Also, I know this was my first post, but I have been reading on here for quite some time. I just never made an account.

 

[luckypaul]

Hey guys this is my first real cycle. I shot some stuff a few years ago without doing any research or anything (go ahead and call me stupid if you want). I was planning on doing 12 weeks Test E (500/week) and deca (400/week). I was going to take nolva (20/day) from the beginning of cycle through pct, with pct starting 3 weeks after last jab. Pct plan was adding clomid (50/day) to the nolva for 3 weeks. Is this enough? Is hcg NECESSARY? I will not start until I have heard and considered all advice and have everything needed in hand. I want to be safe and smart about it.

Stats
5' 10
180
13% bf

What is your age bro?
use the test at 500mg ew. Scrap the deca for now. Use test only for your first cycle.
use hcg 2500 iu 10 days before your cycle ends, and then another 2500 iu five days after the first.
clomid and nolva for pct. 4 weeks.

You are missing a few things in your stats. Diet and age. If you disregard what we will say and run deca you may need dostinex.

 

[AKOG]

Sorry. 25 and good diet. About 250g protein/day, complex carbs, eat 6 times a day. I'm not going to disregard what any of you guys say. I came here to be safe and smart about it. If I don't listen then there was no point in asking, right?

 

[PrinceDianabol]

First cycle should always be test only. Otherwise you won't know which one the side effects are coming from. Test e 500mg weekly for 12 weeks is a great first cycle. Remember to start PCT 21 days after last injection for this cycle. Extend your pct to 4weeks. HCG isn't necessary, but it's advised. It certainly helps recovery.

 

[luckypaul]

Sorry. 25 and good diet. About 250g protein/day, complex carbs, eat 6 times a day. I'm not going to disregard what any of you guys say. I came here to be safe and smart about it. If I don't listen then there was no point in asking, right?

Right you are brother. How long have you trained naturally?

 

[AKOG]

Thank you for your help. Is the nolva during cycle right? Or just wait until after?

 

[luckypaul]

Thank you for your help. Is the nolva during cycle right? Or just wait until after?

No problem that is why we are here. We look out for one another. Using a serm during this cycle like nolva is a very good idea. You may be sensitive to E2 sides. U can also run an AI but with this cycle it may not be necessary. Sides for the most part are dose dependent and this is a mild cycle. I ran 500 mg ew for my first cycle.

Good luck and enjoy your first cycle.

LP

 

[AKOG]

Thanks man. Now I have to overcome the biggest obstacle of all. The friend who used to get it was busted and I have no clue where to go now. I know I can't ask for a source but any advice on how to go about finding one?

 

[jozifp103]

No problem that is why we are here. We look out for one another. Using a serm during this cycle like nolva is a very good idea. You may be sensitive to E2 sides. U can also run an AI but with this cycle it may not be necessary. Sides for the most part are dose dependent and this is a mild cycle. I ran 500 mg ew for my first cycle.

Good luck and enjoy your first cycle.

LP

I am going to respectfully disagree with the nolva part. I think an AI is a much better idea on cycle because it actually keeps estrogen at a healthy level whereas nolva just blocks the receptors but does nothing to control it. Nolva will help prevent gyno but will leave a bunch of estro circulating in your system which is a BITCH during pct. I'd say run the AI and only use the nolva if gyno still occurs.

 

[luckypaul]

Thanks man. Now I have to overcome the biggest obstacle of all. The friend who used to get it was busted and I have no clue where to go now. I know I can't ask for a source but any advice on how to go about finding one?

Not good. don't follow in your friends foot step. I think you are in the right place to find some help though. Take some time to look around and get to know some people. I'm sure you will find some answers bro.

 

[luckypaul]

I am going to respectfully disagree with the nolva part. I think an AI is a much better idea on cycle because it actually keeps estrogen at a healthy level whereas nolva just blocks the receptors but does nothing to control it. Nolva will help prevent gyno but will leave a bunch of estro circulating in your system which is a BITCH during pct. I'd say run the AI and only use the nolva if gyno still occurs.

Let me clarify what I meant brother, I wasn't clear. It was one or the other. At this dose an AI may not be necessary. Thats why I suggested a serm. An AI would work well but it will be easier to crash your E2 with a low dose of test, so keep the dose of your AI low. My apologizes. Nice observation We have an ever flowing fountain of wisdom here in our corner of the universe.

LP

 

[AKOG]

Not good. don't follow in your friends foot step. I think you are in the right place to find some help though. Take some time to look around and get to know some people. I'm sure you will find some answers bro.

Thanks bud. Like I said I'm not looking to get into trouble or cause any trouble. Hope that question wasn't a violation of the rules. If so I didn't mean for it to be.