Lean bulking yes, I enjoy the strength gains from it while dryng me out. Any compound can be used for either bulking or cutting, your diet will determine the results
Test Tren Bulk Cycle (sponsored by AML)
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Lean bulking yes, I enjoy the strength gains from it while dryng me out. Any compound can be used for either bulking or cutting, your diet will determine the results
bonexyster
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I havent used it a lot of times but I've always had exceptionally good results from winny also. My experience has always been a addition in lbm while loss in bf simultaneously. I've been reluctant to run it next to tren in fear of liver value issues. The longer I'm on this forum the more I see it commonly ran together.
Winny gains have nothing to do with being "carb depleted", I ran winny on my last cut while consuming 250 grams of carbs and produced great results. And if you keep your diet clean and watch sodium/water intake you shouldn't really bloat up much on test anyways, so why not add in an oral to add strength and lean muscle? Winny doesn't just dry you out, it helps put on lean muscle tissue and strength, which are my goals for this cycle
I ran it on my last cut while using UDCA, and produced great results. AST/ALT were within range 4 weeks after
Southernfish
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I dont believe there drugs for bulking and cutting. If you want to do either of those thing you do so with diet and take whatever drugs you want. I mix 'bulking' drugs and 'cutting' drugs every cycle. Stick to the plan bro, youll get good results and reach your goals if diet is right. The idea of certain drugs are for bulking and certain drugs are for cutting is a crock of shit in my books.
bigben66
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Are you a power-lifter or a bodybuilder?
There seems far too many people trying to achieve greater strength AND gain more muscle mass...
Simplify it: choose one goal!
Once you've chosen your goal - lay out your path to help you achieve that goal.
ie: I want to gain muscle mass (bodybuilding)... I train with the ideal rep range to stimulate muscle fibres, I incorporate lots of intensity (drop sets, supersets, rest-pause sets), I lower rest time between sets, I tailor my diet to achieve the best possible results for gaining muscle, I order my AAS with muscle gain and nothing else in mind. Simple!
Alternatively, my goal is to gain strength. My workouts are more explosive, less sets, less reps, more weight, more recovery. I supplement accordingly and my AAS choices are now purely strength related....
Just from experience - those people who have numerous goals, and train off the cuff without structure, achieve little and are always left wishing they'd done this, or changed that...
Keep it simple - set one goal - and then train clever with that one goal in mind!
Good luck!
My goal is bodybuilding, but I have found the more I focus on strict form and muscle contraction with 8-12 rep range I don't seen to gain very much strength (muscle yes, but my lifts don't go up as much) Perhaps I need to go back to 5-6 rep range for some sets and mix it up to add more strength, or just continue doing what I'm doing and gradually watch the strength climb with patience.
bigben66
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You don't seem to understand....
Your goal is bodybuilding and you are gaining muscle... who gives a f*ck how much you are lifting??
I'm a bodybuilder, I wasted about 10yrs trying to break records with sh*t form and injury after injury... it's only when I addressed my primary goal, lifted clever with muscle stimulation my No.1 target, that I really made good gains.
Why alter what you are doing, when what you are doing is working?
Southernfish
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THIS^^^^^^^^^, forget about the weight on the bar, your muscles do not know numbers, the only thing that does is your brain. You WILL NOT build big muscles by lifting big weight, you must build big muscle to lift big weight!! How do we do that? We use an appropriate weight that we can lift for sets of 8-12 with perfect form, and keep tension on the muscle the whole time to induce hypertrophy. Its all about time under tension NOT how much weight your lifting.
Be smart, why bench 225 when you can make 135 feel like 225 and have it do the same job, and avoid any injury
At a certain point your joints and other muscle groups take over the load and now your hardly even work the intended muscle group.
Fuck what the numbers say on the bar, get that outta your head.
THIS^^^^^^^^^, forget about the weight on the bar, your muscles do not know numbers, the only thing that does is your brain. You WILL NOT build big muscles by lifting big weight, you must build big muscle to lift big weight!! How do we do that? We use an appropriate weight that we can lift for sets of 8-12 with perfect form, and keep tension on the muscle the whole time to induce hypertrophy. Its all about time under tension NOT how much weight your lifting.
Be smart, why bench 225 when you can make 135 feel like 225 and have it do the same job, and avoid any injury
At a certain point your joints and other muscle groups take over the load and now your hardly even work the intended muscle group.
Fuck what the numbers say on the bar, get that outta your head.
That is a good point, I need to check my ego at the door I suppose and focus on my goal
Day 14: 188lbs, feeling a bit bloated possibly due to having sushi late last night for a cheat meal. Worked out arms today consisting of:
dumbbell curls x 6 (2 wamr ups)
preacher curls x 4
close grip pull downs x 4
straight arm cable curls x 4
weighted dips x 6 (2 warm ups)
skull crushers x 4
straight bar pulldowns x 4
rope overhead pull downs x 4
close grip bench x 4 (high reps low weight)
got a really good pump from the workout, no sides so far other than some light night sweats (even though its +5 degrees outside and the windows open)
dumbbell curls x 6 (2 wamr ups)
preacher curls x 4
close grip pull downs x 4
straight arm cable curls x 4
weighted dips x 6 (2 warm ups)
skull crushers x 4
straight bar pulldowns x 4
rope overhead pull downs x 4
close grip bench x 4 (high reps low weight)
got a really good pump from the workout, no sides so far other than some light night sweats (even though its +5 degrees outside and the windows open)
China_Wall
New member
^^this is good stuff
China_Wall
New member
u are bulking... so how do you consider sushi a cheat meal??? it's just fish and rice, no cheating there
deep fried chicken, noodles, cheese wontons, there's plenty of ingredients in certain rolls that I would consider unhealthy. If I eat a meal not on my diet plan, I consider it a cheat meal even if it isn't completely terrible for you. But yes there are plenty worse things out there than sushi
China_Wall
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sorry, I forgot that here in north america sushi means many things... in asia, where I lived for 15 years, sushi is just raw fish on rice... the roll stuff, fried stuff is not sushi
Southernfish
New member
That's what sushi is in NA too, raw fish and rice. People call it all sushi when in reality it Japanese food, and probably not actual ethnic Japanese food either.
Day 20: Weight 190lbs
Weight seems to be climbing steady, thinking of incorporating some light incline treadmill cardio to help keep the weight gain around 1lb/week
Leg day consisted of:
Leg Press x 6 (2 warm ups) superset with calf raises on same machine x 4
Power squats x 4 superset with standing calf raises on same machine x 4
Leg curls x 4 superset with donkey calf raises x 4
Leg extensions x 4
Lunges x 3 cool down
Calves usually alternate between toes out, straight feet, and heels out to work different parts of the calves
Feeling good and focused, libido is strong compared to last time I ran tren (previously was tren twice the dose of test, libido issues starting week 2 throughout entire cycle). Looking forward to the next 10-12 weeks!
Weight seems to be climbing steady, thinking of incorporating some light incline treadmill cardio to help keep the weight gain around 1lb/week
Leg day consisted of:
Leg Press x 6 (2 warm ups) superset with calf raises on same machine x 4
Power squats x 4 superset with standing calf raises on same machine x 4
Leg curls x 4 superset with donkey calf raises x 4
Leg extensions x 4
Lunges x 3 cool down
Calves usually alternate between toes out, straight feet, and heels out to work different parts of the calves
Feeling good and focused, libido is strong compared to last time I ran tren (previously was tren twice the dose of test, libido issues starting week 2 throughout entire cycle). Looking forward to the next 10-12 weeks!
Day 27: Weight 191
Shoulders tonight:
dumbbell presses x 6 (2 warm up)
close grip barbell lifts x 4
machine shoulder press x 4
cable straight arm raises x 4
dumbbell front raises alternated with dumbell lat raises x 6
Got one of the best pumps Ive had in a while tonight, really starting to feel/see some changes. Still struggling with sleep, Im lucky if I get 5 hours uninterrupted, although night sweats have reduced lately. Nips are starting to bother me (mild pubertal gyno), but if I bump up my ai I feel like shit and libido reduces. I have naturally higher estrogen so I think my body prefers it, and I feel better without one, but I don't want to run into nip trouble. Thoughts?
Shoulders tonight:
dumbbell presses x 6 (2 warm up)
close grip barbell lifts x 4
machine shoulder press x 4
cable straight arm raises x 4
dumbbell front raises alternated with dumbell lat raises x 6
Got one of the best pumps Ive had in a while tonight, really starting to feel/see some changes. Still struggling with sleep, Im lucky if I get 5 hours uninterrupted, although night sweats have reduced lately. Nips are starting to bother me (mild pubertal gyno), but if I bump up my ai I feel like shit and libido reduces. I have naturally higher estrogen so I think my body prefers it, and I feel better without one, but I don't want to run into nip trouble. Thoughts?
China_Wall
New member
aromasin at 12.5 should be plenty to keep it from flaring up... if not, add in some nolva at 10-20mg per day, seems to work for me
