Testosterone 2mg/24hrs patch

[theguy9129]

OK I am quite unhappy with getting the patch. I am very active and really do not want to deal with patches while out on the boat etc. Either way thats a battle Ill win. My questions are for now, how effective are these? Is 2MG the right dosage? IS the patch just as effective. One upside i see with it is, is your getting it everyday.

 

[TryinToGetStrong]

I don't know a lot about patches but I do know everyone is different, some people do very well on patches or gel, and others don't absorb at all. Only time and blood work will tell which you are.

 

[theguy9129]

Thanks yeah I know the common thing is the shots or gel. I would have thought the Va would have persribed the shots as they are the cheapest. I guess as long as they work, just not to keen on playing with patches.

 

[theguy9129]

After more reserach it seems 2mg/4mg is the two standard doses. What I read if you are taking the shot you actually use about 10% of that so if you take 100 in a week from a shot you are getting 10mg, vs this method is 2mg for 7 days so you would get 14mg a week. From the reviews I have been reading the only bad thing is rashes. But well see. The foc is obviously starting me on the most conservative path, which I really have a problem with, I just dont want to deal with patch. But Ill give it a chance for a while..

 

[Frustrated1]

After more reserach it seems 3mg/4mg is the two standard doses. What I read if you are taking the shot you actually use about 10% of that so if you take 100 in a week from a shot you are getting 10mg, vs this method is 2mg for 7 days so you would get 14mg a week. From the reviews I have been reading the only bad thing is rashes. But well see. The foc is obviously starting me on the most conservative path, which I really have a problem with, I just dont want to deal with patch. But Ill give it a chance for a while..

Shots just don't work that way. Neither does the patch. I believe the injections are about 70% effective. Every other delivery method is substantially less.

Try it out and just see how it goes.

 

[TryinToGetStrong]

Thanks yeah I know the common thing is the shots or gel. I would have thought the Va would have persribed the shots as they are the cheapest. I guess as long as they work, just not to keen on playing with patches.

Me too cause my doc here in Fl at the VA said he starts with injects because they're the cheapest and most effective, unless you request the others for good reason.

 

[theguy9129]

Shots just don't work that way. Neither does the patch. I believe the injections are about 70% effective. Every other delivery method is substantially less.

Try it out and just see how it goes.

I dont know just something I found on the internet, not flaming this site or anybody else, but it seems the world of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and steroids can be anybodys guess.

My thing is if the standard IM is 100 MG a week that means 14 mg on average per day( even know I know thats not how it works.) But say you are using the patch at only 2mg a day thats only 14mg PER week. But Im guessing the absortion rate is different or something. Because it seems some can get the same results. I havent talked to the doctor yet, the script is showing online on the Va website and is on its way. Waiting for a call back to see what the deal is. Im guessing either way she is going to make me do the patches until I can give her a good excuse or maybe thats just what she thought was best. For one I want the most effective method bar none, and second I dont want to have to wear some patch. I guess you have to keep switching spots and all that. But thanks for all the help. I am 29 years old with an average 190 test on T over two test and looking for a better life.

 

[Frustrated1]

Hey man, we've all been there. Low T just plain sucks. I'm not knocking in any way, shape of form.

You're the first person I've seen on here using a patch, so most of us can't really comment on them specifically. I was just saying that it's so complex on how much each of us requires that it's a crap shoot. Only blood work will tell you for sure. This is why you'll see that everybody is different posted on here a lot. I think even with injections the range is about 100mg/week to 400mg/week. Some will automatically think that the guy on 400/week is cycling, but do to body composition and muscle absorption, that much may be required to hit an upper level for a few people. Now this is rare, but it does happen. Same with 100mg/week, it's rare, but it does happen. 150 to 300mg/week is pretty normal.

I know that patches absorption rate is also all over the board. And can also change over time(which is weird). Most likely they gave you the patch because it's easy, most people don't want to have to inject, this is why creams are so popular. So the next time you go in, ask for the injections. e3d is probably ideal, e5d is a good compromise, e7d is the limit. e14d and you'll be a PMS bitch.

 

[BigFella]

This is mostly about cream, not patch, but I think it is relevant.

I'm on AndroForte cream, scrotally applied. I feel that its effectiveness varies a great deal. I've researched it like crazy (as have a lot of people here - Frustrated1 is typical) and it seems that the absorption any transdermal, gel, cream or patch, is highly erratic. Combine that with a very low half-life, as it's straight T and not an ester, means that T levels vary wildly. (For me, anyway.)

I'm getting to read my body so much better, and I think I can predict my current T levels by how I feel.

Last week I hung off the cream for two days (yes, that is all!), I treated myself pretty badly and scored a T reading of 46 on the US scale. I wanted a second reading below 250 so I could be legally treated in Australia.

I then applied the cream three times in 24 hours, not two, and I was an animal in the gym. Seriously, I benched weight that I haven't done for twenty years. (It made me realise that the advice "Be careful - your ligaments are now the weak link" is true.)

HOWEVER: this did not last, and I believe my T levels are still around 250 at best, at the morning peak. Even rubbing cream into my nuts every chance I get doesn't raise my perceived T levels.

Summary: For me, transdermals suck.

Luckily my doctor now believes me and is calling me to come and see him. And I will be taking my shopping list which will include Test Cyp, HCG - and some HGH while I'm at it. May as well ask!

Oh yes: it appears to that the wild fluctuations you get from straight T, because of its very short half-life, lead to aromatisation. So I already have Aromatase inhibitor (AI), I just think I will need it less on a twice-weekly Test Cyp regime.

 

[theguy9129]

Thanks guys. Yeah thats what I am kind of thinking, DOC thinks the patch is the easiet method and probably cheaper than cream so she went with that. In four weeks I have a blood test and at that point will see what needs to be adjusted and will probably ask for a different method at that point. It seems from research the patch acutally offers very few side effets as far as liver and such which might be something to keep in mind. But well see what happens and Ill be on here probably asking questions.

I also have to ask her about HCG, is that a pill or a shot. I guess its a crap shoot whether you need it or not from what I have seen.

 

[theguy9129]

Well Finally got the patches yesterday and am now on them. No change in anything which I totally dont expect for a while. But man these things are ugly they are about 3inches around and have that band aid plastic look. I have a blood test in three weeks and will definitely tell the doc that this isnt going to work for me. But just happy to start something to make me feel better

 

[theguy9129]

Just thought I would update. been on this stuff for a week. Nothing crazy to report I fully expect to not really see anything for at least another 3-4 weeks.

But what I have seen so far my mental foggyness is cleared up by probably 75% and that was instant almost. I know you cant expect to see any growth in your man package but in flacid state I would say its been a lot fuller and looks to be about double in size, im used to it being sucked up all the time. When big its not any bigger, but it definitely hangs more.

Now onto one side effect I feel a tight or almost dull throb at the bottom inside of my ball bag, is this normal.

No change in fatigue, libido, weight at this point but again Im realistic I dont expect anything yet.