Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and Estradiol levels etc.......

[Older Guy]

TRT and Estradiol levels etc.......

Could you all please take a few minutes and answer some questions for me? Thank you in advance......

I had been doing 150/wk Cyp for 3 months (1 shot per wk) with no anti E or Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and just got my tests back last week.......

Total Test is just a touch over 1000 and feeling pretty damn good.
Estradiol is a bit high @ 55 (I converted from 204 pmol?L)
All other tests are fine (according to my Doc)

Now my Doc (anti aging female Dr) says the E levels are nothing to worry about and that no arimidex etc is necessary. I of course told her that everything I've read suggests otherwise. Do you think I absolutey "need" to add and anti E?
* I've experienced no swelling or sensitivity in my nipples

Regarding Hcg, she says not necessary. I have experienced very minor atrophy and am not planning to have any more kids fwiw. Do you think Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is necessary?

The Doc wants me to do daily injections for a month to get a real good baseline (labs) so I will be starting this week. I'm hoping everything stabilizes and I can do E2D or E3D from there as weekly just doesn't cut it as you know. (using insulin needles and injecting into my quads) I used to go 1 1/2" 23 gauge in the butt.

*She is also talking about putting me on DHEA after my test come back.....you thoughts on DHEA?

Any insights you could provide would be greatly appreciated!



44 yrs old
5' 11" 185 lbs very little body fat
Prior to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) total test was @ 480
*Taking nothing else

 

[Flip TRT]

In my opinion, yes... You absolutely need to be on an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Your estrodial is way to high, especially for only doing 150mgs of cyp/wk. I would be doing 1.5mgs of anastrozole/a-dex for two weeks straight, then back it down to 1.5mgs every third day as maintenance. As for hcg, even if you don't plan on having any more kids, there is still nothing better than being able to be on the shit and still have a sack full of juice and nuts the size of plums smacking back and forth on whoever you decide to abuse with them! You may not want to have any more kids, but do you want to lose the ability to fire off the "money shot"??? No way!!!!!
As for dhea..... I say no. Because dhea must first be converted to androstenedione and then to testosterone in men, it has two chances to aromatize into estrogen- estrone from androstenedione, and estrodial from testosterone. As such, it is possible that supplementation with dhea could increase estrogen levels more than testosterone levels in men....and you definitely dont need that.

 

[Older Guy]

Chip thanks for the reply......one question though.

Everything I have read regarding testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) suggests that arimidex @ 1.0mg or 1.5 mg per week in divided doses is sufficient.

eg. .5mg every 3 days

What you are advocating is 3 times that amount....I'm confused. Was that a typo at your end?

What are your suggestions for hcG protocol?

Thx again!

 

[Flip TRT]

Hey bud... When your estrogen levels are that high, i feel you reall need to drop the hammer on them initially for at least two weeks. They didn't get that way overnight. After two weeks if you feel more comfortable going with .5mg e3d, no problem. Only new bloodwork will be able to show you where your levels are at. As for hcg... I like a big initial dose. 3ml injected im on the first day then 500-1000iu every 3-4 days till finished. This should swell you up nice and full and have you firing off loads like a wagner power sprayer! Good luck!

 

[Older Guy]

Thx Chip!

You said:

As for hcg... I like a big initial dose. 3ml injected im on the first day then 500-1000iu every 3-4 days till finished.

"till finished"????? finished what? I thought hcG is taken as long as you are on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) (which is forever). Could you clarify please?
Should I be cycling it?

Cheers!

 

[supersets]

Hey bud... When your estrogen levels are that high, i feel you reall need to drop the hammer on them initially for at least two weeks. They didn't get that way overnight. After two weeks if you feel more comfortable going with .5mg e3d, no problem. Only new bloodwork will be able to show you where your levels are at. As for hcg... I like a big initial dose. 3ml injected im on the first day then 500-1000iu every 3-4 days till finished. This should swell you up nice and full and have you firing off loads like a wagner power sprayer! Good luck!

That last line is cracking me the FUCKUP!! Laughing so hard my stomach hurts!!!

 

[maxxmill17]

Chip left this guy hanging??...........is Chip a Dr? sounds knowledgable..need more input like his!....

 

[littlebigman]

Lets keep in mind that although Chip is great at what he does and has quality stuff, he also is in business to make a buck as we all are. His reco's are always going to be slightly high as mine would if i was in his position so i coudl sell more. I would say the answer lies somewhere in the middle of what your doc says and what chip says, as the doc is most of the time "too safe" and on the other had if you get too aggressive with Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dosages your lipids get messed. Im no one famous no this board but i would say get the stuff on hand but if you are not having any estrogen side effects maybe you are luckier than most and dont need it just yet.

 

[fleverglades]

Lets keep in mind that although Chip is great at what he does and has quality stuff, he also is in business to make a buck as we all are. His reco's are always going to be slightly high as mine would if i was in his position so i coudl sell more. I would say the answer lies somewhere in the middle of what your doc says and what chip says, as the doc is most of the time "too safe" and on the other had if you get too aggressive with Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dosages your lipids get messed. Im no one famous no this board but i would say get the stuff on hand but if you are not having any estrogen side effects maybe you are luckier than most and dont need it just yet.

I am gonna disagree on that one - Chip has his best interests at heart. I'd listen to him. The only thing I might add is the DHEA comment. My testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc said to take DHEA with my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and cycle and also added Pregnonolone to it - both available at your local vitamin store. He said it keeps my nuts working. Chip - feedback??

 

[fleverglades]

Ahh - I just noticed Chip said no to DHEA for him and not in general cause his Estrogen was too high. My bad. Although I'd like to know what Chip thinks about it in general.

 

[Flip TRT]

Fl........ Thanks for trying to help the other members realize that little big man's comment was unwarranted and moreso, unappreciated... I dont want to get into a pissing contest "lbm", but overselling product is not something that i take practice in. I'm assuming that you are not a client of mine, yet, but if you were, and if you actually knew me or spoke to me you would understand the true passion that i have for my job and you would understand that my pay is not based,at all, on slamming people, but rather the number of clients that i bring on board and the results that they get. I'm not going to take you comment personally, but i will say that it makes you sound extremely unintelligent, especially to all of the members on this board that are actually clients of mine, and ones that are not clients, who have still called me and i gladly give them free advice even when they have asked me if there is a fee for my time. I base many of my recommendations for my clients off of my own personal experiences with aas and i'd like to think that i know what i'm doing..... Just a little bit.

Fl...... As for the question on dhea.... If you are using it and it works for you.... Rock on brother. I have never personally used it and i rarely suggest it. Not that it isnt a good supplement, but i just really dont have much experience with it. As i said in my earlier post, if your estrodial levels are already high, it scares me to have someone use a supplement that will cause twice the aromitization. That would likely mean adjusting your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to a higher level to compensate. But i am not, by any means, saying that i disagree with the use of it. I just always hesitate on giving concrete opinions on things when the opinion is based on research and not my personal use.

 

[Epic Ed]

I've gotta back Chip on this one. I've contact a few different HRT clinics and they all wanted me to run a bunch of compounds in addition to my basic test cyp. One of them even gave me an all or nothing scenario -- pay for everything they're recommending, pay it now, or pound sand. Chip has been the one guy who listened at least as much as he talked and asked me what my goals were. There are a few things I'd like to try that I can't afford right now, but he let me decide what I was going to take and then offered recommendations on dosage. He also didn't get but hurt when I explained I was going to use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) from one of the research labs. I'm sure he'd rather have the sale but he understands that cost is an issue for many of us trying to get help with HRT. Chip is NOT a guy who is in this to over-sell product that you don't need.

 

[Flip TRT]

Thanks ed. Appreciate the post, bud. Hope ur doing well!!!

 

[fleverglades]

so the DHEA is gonna INCREASE my estrogen conversion? Fuck me - I had no idea. Damn I like you dude. You get right to the point. I hate taking all those pills anyway. I assume the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) should be enought to keep me "firing off loads like a Wagner Power Sprayer" - I'm laughing so hard right now.

Know anyting about Pregnonolone?

 

[rmagurn]

so the DHEA is gonna INCREASE my estrogen conversion? Fuck me - I had no idea. Damn I like you dude. You get right to the point. I hate taking all those pills anyway. I assume the HCG should be enought to keep me "firing off loads like a Wagner Power Sprayer" - I'm laughing so hard right now.

Know anyting about Pregnonolone?

new here also but can say from use and blood test that using 7-Keto DHEA will not increase your estrogen. it does not aromatize. So if your doc thinks it is a good idea try asking about this DHEA..good luck