The BEST BACK exercise ever!

Hacksquater

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I'd like to throw the idea out there that CHINS are the BEST upper back exercise ever! (Feedback welcomed - but please read...)

CHINS (done the right way) are king! I LOVE 'em!

(And yes, since people keep asking, that avatar photo is my back built largely by chins).

Points to add:

1. Often I might do 12+ sets of chins only to failure or beyond, for an entire killer upper back workout! Like 20R, 15R, 12R, 10R, 8R, 5-6R, 8R, 10R, 12R, 15R and back to 20, by varying the weight added to, or subtracted from, the body using weights, or a counter weighted machine.

2. *I believe that the upper back muscles almost can not be over trained (although the nervous system from back training can quite easily!)! because the biceps give out way before the upper back muscles. So it can be bombed for 1 to 1-1/2 hours by many. Of course not every workout. I actually have yet to surpass the threshold into muscular over training with upper back. I believe the central nervous system gets beat before the back does. But I'm still testing this out in my training...

3. I believe in doing CHINS medium wide forward grip, absolute full range of motion, seriously arched back, head up (look at the ceiling) chest up to the bar, elbows back, pause at the top for total peak contraction, SLOWLY descending, total stretch at the bottom (1-2 seconds) using wrist straps to try to relax the arms and forearms a little to concentrate on pulling with the elbows and back.

4. I believe that most (not all) guys often don't need to worry about inner thickness nearly as much as width, and that the thickness will often come even by the use of mostly width exercises.

5. My posterior deltoids almost always will be really sore after a brutal CHIN workout, thus negating the need for much real delt isolation work.

6. I think most folks spend more effort on the front of their body then the back. And for many it should be rearranged the opposite. Priority training the Back, low back, glutes, hams, calves...

7. I think a lot of guys could benefit significantly from using a fuller range of motion and slowing it down a lot, and pausing for a second or two in the contracted position in all upper back exercises.

8. Try this... mentally RELAX from the elbow to the hand (of course don't let go...) but seriously concentrate on totally relaxing the entire area from the elbow to the hand (think of it - your forearm and hand area - as merely a cable that only serves to connect your elbow to the bar) and then, when pulling, concentrate on pulling WITH THE ELBOWS!!! Using the back, not the arms. Usually weight has to be reduced to do this effectively.

9. I think many avoid chins because of how brutal they are when done right, and because of the heaviness of their body to chin for complete reps in the necessary rep ranges. Thus the COUNTERWEIGHTED MACHINE!!!

10. I think a great back is one of the most beautiful body parts in a well developed b-builder. Lee Haney, Flex Wheeler, Ronnie, and others are some of my favorites...
 
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pull-ups are good...should be done by everyone before doing set of lat pull-downs IMO
 
always start my back workouts with pullups...sumthin like this:

3xchins
3xdeadlifts
3xdb rows
3xlat pull downs
3xcg rows
 
I agree but counterweighted machines really decrease the effectiveness of the exercise..you may as well do pulldowns. I tell people to do chins until their bodyweight is too much for enough repetitions then move over to pulldowns.
 
Hacksquater said:
Not talking about low back...




That sounds great! Maybe a close second, with Barbell Rows being up there too.

all variations of deads includes rack pulls as well. works much more than just low back. plus the use of deads increases over all back/body growth.

i might be moe inclined to do pull ups if my shoulder would let me.
 
DocJ said:
I agree but counterweighted machines really decrease the effectiveness of the exercise..you may as well do pulldowns. I tell people to do chins until their bodyweight is too much for enough repetitions then move over to pulldowns.

I think that the counter weighted machine will not decrease the effectiveness if done correctly, and only for those reps that are out of the range of what one can handle free weight. I'm making a comeback right now, and am not quite up to my strongest yet, and can not do 20r, 15r, or even 12r yet in the strict form I described above. So I do those on the counter weighted machine, and then the others free weight. The drop sets are performed with the machine since I don't use a training partner. This is something I believe actually increases the effectiveness by being able to do some really high intensity (beyond failure) techniques... But eventually I'll be all free weight (plus weight) again.

DocJ said:
I tell people to do chins until their bodyweight is too much for enough repetitions then move over to pulldowns.

I think that is good advice.

Or go to the counter weighted machine for 10 more sets, lightening the load bit by bit as you get more exhausted...
 
adidamps2 said:
all variations of deads includes rack pulls as well. works much more than just low back. plus the use of deads increases over all back/body growth.

Of course you are right here.

I use them all (I am studying strength and conditioning coaching as a career).

But for a bodybuilder, only doing deads would never give the complete v taper kind of competition winning back.

Chins on the other hand, I submit, might. I think they would for me. I'm not sure if I'd get the width from the t-bar?

adidamps2 said:
i might be moe inclined to do pull ups if my shoulder would let me.

Bummer. Injuries are getting more common for me too since I am approaching 40. I am now starting to have to take ridiculous precautions warming up. Hopefully I don't find myself in the same situation!
Good luck.
 
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i have to admit since i have added T-bar rowes unsupported w/a V-grip i have added alot of thickness to my back. more so than deads or high/low lat pulls have together.
 
Your nick name is hack squatter!!!

Chins are good, but come on now. Big strong backs come from deadlifting and rowing. Lat pull downs and chins are nice but, let's not lose sight of th ebig picture here.
 
adidamps2 said:
i have to admit since i have added T-bar rowes unsupported w/a V-grip i have added alot of thickness to my back. more so than deads or high/low lat pulls have together.

My two Gyms I readily hit don't have a good T-Bar! I'd be hiding in the ominous dark corner with you if they did! But only after my 12X of chins to failure, with drop sets! :insane2:
 
skarhead1 said:
Your nick name is hack squatter!!!

Chins are good, but come on now. Big strong backs come from deadlifting and rowing. Lat pull downs and chins are nice but, let's not lose sight of th ebig picture here.

Yes, I love Hacks, but so do I love Chins!!!

Again, I'm not even talking about deads at this point, but...

Back to my point #4. "I believe that most (not all) guys often don't need to worry about (upper back) inner thickness nearly as much as width, and that the thickness will often (not always) come even by the use of mostly width exercises" (Medium Wide Grip, overhand Chins, done right (as described above, in my opinion, being the very best of those width exercises.) I might be wrong? But I don't think so.

Ever try 12X of chins (using form described above) to failure for a cyclical 12 weeks? You might be able to fly afterwards! :insane2:
 
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Deadlifts are in no way neccesary to build a great back. Now try building one without rowing. If i had to do one exercise for the back it would probably be rows. Maybe chins not sure but definately not deads. I have seen some strong deadlifters who do not have particularly impressive back development. I have not seen anyone with real strong rows (done properly) who has anything but impressive back development. Now, pull, row and do pullups and your back should be pretty impressive. Just my reasoning, maybe i am wrong.
 
jcp2 said:
Deadlifts are in no way neccesary to build a great back. Now try building one without rowing. If i had to do one exercise for the back it would probably be rows. Maybe chins not sure but definately not deads. I have seen some strong deadlifters who do not have particularly impressive back development. I have not seen anyone with real strong rows (done properly) who has anything but impressive back development. Now, pull, row and do pullups and your back should be pretty impressive. Just my reasoning, maybe i am wrong.

I'm with you here. Although I am tempted to believe that I might not get all the needed width from rowing; and think I might get the thickness with the chins (as described below) :


"I believe in doing CHINS medium wide forward grip, absolute full range of motion, seriously arched back, head up (look at the ceiling) chest up to the bar, elbows back, pause at the top for total peak contraction, SLOWLY descending, total stretch at the bottom (1-2 seconds) using wrist straps to try to relax the arms and forearms a little to concentrate on pulling with the elbows and back."
 
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