The new androhard vs primo?

[djm6464]

I asked this in that company's thread, i got a 'we'll see the logs'

so, i want to hear from guys with primo exp, to weigh in on this....

- it say on you site, straight from the owner potratz, that the androhard would be equal to 400-500mg of primo/wk

on sale the androhard is $100, for a month, primo goes for more

that being said, can you honestly say that you have developed a legal oral alternative to one of the premier and more expensive steroids available

i really would like to get a rep to answer this, its hard to believe, but would be awesome if it were 80% true even -

its hard to imagine, but would be a goldmine if true imo...legit primo is hard to find,and we pay through the ass

 

[RA64]

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I would like to see a comparison of the two.
Right now I am on a Test, Primo cycle and so far it’s been a good cycle.
If PP wants to send me a 30 day supply for free I will stop the Primo and start the Androhard and report the differences I feel between the two.

 

[RJ]

No PH will ever compare overall to any steroid. The sooner you can realize that, the sooner you can make an informed decision.

 

[HereToStudy]

I asked this in that company's thread, i got a 'we'll see the logs'

so, i want to hear from guys with primo exp, to weigh in on this....

- it say on you site, straight from the owner potratz, that the androhard would be equal to 400-500mg of primo/wk

on sale the androhard is $100, for a month, primo goes for more

that being said, can you honestly say that you have developed a legal oral alternative to one of the premier and more expensive steroids available

i really would like to get a rep to answer this, its hard to believe, but would be awesome if it were 80% true even -

its hard to imagine, but would be a goldmine if true imo...legit primo is hard to find,and we pay through the ass

Eric has been quite confident in his calculations of bio equivalence. Honestly, I can't say from an experience stand point as I have yet to run either, but from talking to Eric, I do seem under the impression that we have been able to do it.

 

[fognozzle]

What exactly is the difference between a hormone (aas) and a pro hormone. If I remember correctly, the PH is one step from a hormone conversion wise. (1-AD was one step from 1-T). I understand the whole liver toxicity issue. Also, reps claim that BD is not actually a PH but rather an oral steroid. A BMW M5 will never compare to a Lamborghini Gallardo either but, I would drive the shit out of that M5 and love every minute of it. My point is, if they are getting closer and closer to the the same results of aas with PH's isn't the line blurring just a bit. I'm simply playing devil's advocate here.

 

[ryansm]

I asked this in that company's thread, i got a 'we'll see the logs'

so, i want to hear from guys with primo exp, to weigh in on this....

- it say on you site, straight from the owner potratz, that the androhard would be equal to 400-500mg of primo/wk

on sale the androhard is $100, for a month, primo goes for more

that being said, can you honestly say that you have developed a legal oral alternative to one of the premier and more expensive steroids available

i really would like to get a rep to answer this, its hard to believe, but would be awesome if it were 80% true even -

its hard to imagine, but would be a goldmine if true imo...legit primo is hard to find,and we pay through the ass

Have you done the original version of AndroHard? Basically what we have here in the new version is around 10x the efficiency. It will be dosed per recommendations about 5x higher than the original. <This will be the first comparison for anyone who has used the former version. That said this is a DHT derivative similar to primo/masteron, is it a bold claim, sure as hell is, and I would love to hear feedback from someone with AAS experience.

 

[ryansm]

No PH will ever compare overall to any steroid. The sooner you can realize that, the sooner you can make an informed decision.

For the most part I agree, but what we have here is something never seen before

 

[RJ]

For the most part I agree, but what we have here is something never seen before

uh huh. Thats exactly what has been said about the last 14000000 OTC products. The only ones worth a half a flip were banned. Coincidence?

Doubtful.

 

[ryansm]

What exactly is the difference between a hormone (aas) and a pro hormone. If I remember correctly, the PH is one step from a hormone conversion wise. (1-AD was one step from 1-T). I understand the whole liver toxicity issue. Also, reps claim that BD is not actually a PH but rather an oral steroid. A BMW M5 will never compare to a Lamborghini Gallardo either but, I would drive the shit out of that M5 and love every minute of it. My point is, if they are getting closer and closer to the the same results of aas with PH's isn't the line blurring just a bit. I'm simply playing devil's advocate here.

The parent/target hormone is the ideal choice, PH's must convert in the body to these hormones, however they also have intrinsic properties of their own. However if you can accomplish feasible absorption/conversion to the target hormone then they become more viable. We (PP) have achieved 85% absorption 75% conversion with enough hormone in the dosing to achieve equivalences to standard injectable AAS cycles. Are these bold claims, hell yes they are, however we believe that we have achieved it, and have the science and research to back it up. Now all wee need is the feedback. Bottom line here is that the current "legal" crop of PH's and designers are going to be gone soon, and our new AndroSeries line-up is going nowhere as it DSHEA compliant, not too mention much safer for you to use than methylated orals.

 

[ryansm]

uh huh. Thats exactly what has been said about the last 14000000 OTC products. The only ones worth a half a flip were banned. Coincidence?

Doubtful.

Completely agree, and expect skepticism. These are now out, I will be waiting for the feedback myself.

 

[djm6464]

Have you done the original version of AndroHard? Basically what we have here in the new version is around 10x the efficiency. It will be dosed per recommendations about 5x higher than the original. <This will be the first comparison for anyone who has used the former version. That said this is a DHT derivative similar to primo/masteron, is it a bold claim, sure as hell is, and I would love to hear feedback from someone with AAS experience.

i used it when it first hit last feb...so i stayed at 500-600mg, it was good at that, but nothing crazy.....year later everyone says 800mg ed....id do a gram tho.....if this stuff is 5x...then itd be 2.5g of the dose i used, which im thinking would be excellent

however since that time iv gone to oils cause i dont see the point in phs and short cyles anymore.....its why im intrigued with this stuff, can use it longer, and is supposed to be stronger....plus the dht i like instead of using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), for say test and a nor

 

[djm6464]

uh huh. Thats exactly what has been said about the last 14000000 OTC products. The only ones worth a half a flip were banned. Coincidence?

Doubtful.

i used m1t back in 04.....iv used a few phs here n there since.....not even close, that shit was gear, the hdrols, the tren ethyl, the propadrol fura, and all the other stuff out there are just spiked supps imo

 

[RJ]

i used m1t back in 04.....iv used a few phs here n there since.....not even close, that shit was gear, the hdrols, the tren ethyl, the propadrol fura, and all the other stuff out there are just spiked supps imo

yep, M1T was basically gear in a tab. like i said, the ones that get banned are/were the only ones worth a damn.

Even then, nothing like real gear and can be just as bad health wise.

 

[hatefulONE]

yep, M1T was basically gear in a tab. like i said, the ones that get banned are/were the only ones worth a damn.

Even then, nothing like real gear and can be just as bad health wise.

Agreed, m1t was rat poison on the body, supposedly this new androseries will be non liver toxic, and not really have an effect on cholesterol and the like. I'm not saying the new androhard will be as good or take the place of primo, that will never happen. But if it is close to similar effects, for much cheaper, it might be a viable option for someone whom wishes to add primo to a cycle, but cannot find a good source with legit primo. Primo definitely fits in the category of you get what you pay for though.

 

[burlyman]

i used m1t back in 04.....iv used a few phs here n there since.....not even close, that shit was gear, the hdrols, the tren ethyl, the propadrol fura, and all the other stuff out there are just spiked supps imo

I missed the M1T. I came back to the iron too late to try it. I did hear amazing things about it. Things that injectables can't do, at least not as fast.

I made great gains on Turinabol LV (helladrol clone) a year ago, though. I considered it to be "gear". It wasn't Dbol...but it wasn't supposed to be. The Oral Turinabol was never like Dbol either. It was like Dbol without the bloat, though, IMO. I gained 16 lbs in 6 weeks and held onto it all. Guys have made great gains on SD/Beastdrol too. So maybe I'm confused about the comment "PHs aren't good/don't compare to gear".

 

[hatefulONE]

I missed the M1T. I came back to the iron too late to try it. I did hear amazing things about it. Things that injectables can't do, at least not as fast.

I made great gains on Turinabol LV (helladrol clone) a year ago, though. I considered it to be "gear". It wasn't Dbol...but it wasn't supposed to be. The Oral Turinabol was never like Dbol either. It was like Dbol without the bloat, though, IMO. I gained 16 lbs in 6 weeks and held onto it all. Guys have made great gains on SD/Beastdrol too. So maybe I'm confused about the comment "PHs aren't good/don't compare to gear".

Everyone is different, I would say that no ph can compare to a real gear cycle done right. Will be interesting though to see what people actually get from these new androseries products. They seem very versatile and since they are not very harsh can be added onto any cycle without much worry.

 

[MattPorter]

The way that the government is regulating supplements, it seems more than feasible to think that the current methylated steroids sold on the market will be gone for good and these Andro Series products could be the ONLY effective legal option....but maybe too effective and when something works that damn good.....the pharmaceutical companies cannot stand it!

 

[BigBlackguy]

I missed the M1T. I came back to the iron too late to try it. I did hear amazing things about it. Things that injectables can't do, at least not as fast.

I made great gains on Turinabol LV (helladrol clone) a year ago, though. I considered it to be "gear". It wasn't Dbol...but it wasn't supposed to be. The Oral Turinabol was never like Dbol either. It was like Dbol without the bloat, though, IMO. I gained 16 lbs in 6 weeks and held onto it all. Guys have made great gains on SD/Beastdrol too. So maybe I'm confused about the comment "PHs aren't good/don't compare to gear".

I feel like that sentiment stems from the fact that no one runs 16 week oral cycles. A reason for that is methylation and other side effects such as loss of libido. With the androseries, side effects like on a low test or methylated cycle or not a problem.

I think about it this way... would I rather run 4 weeks of test or 4 weeks of superdrol? Superdrol for me... but would I rather run 16 weeks of test or superdrol? Well, we all know the answer to that... unless we truly hate our liver

 

[hatefulONE]

Longer oral cycles with hcg are feasible. I know I have seen a few people say they are going to take some of pp's new hormones with hcg. It will be interesting to see how suppressive these new ones are, especially andromass, when they are ran longer, wish we had some blood work to analyze.

 

[HereToStudy]

Longer oral cycles with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) are feasible. I know I have seen a few people say they are going to take some of pp's new hormones with hcg. It will be interesting to see how suppressive these new ones are, especially andromass, when they are ran longer, wish we had some blood work to analyze.

I will be doing a 12 week cycle of AndroMass with hCG dosed 250iu E4D from week 3-10. I will have pre and post blood work done (as I recommend to anyone looking to cycle).