I started taking Pinnacle tren about 6 months ago, and liked it. But honestly, I've used stronger before. I know this because good tren causes insomnia and for most people, massive night sweats. I told JB that I've had stronger tren then Pinnacle, and he told me that was unacceptable and he was going to make sure their tren was as good or better then any other brand. So Pinnacle revamped the formula by using a different companies raws. I just got the new tren on Saturday and took my first shot today. Wow! I tried to take a nap and was so jittery I couldn't sleep. After a while I fell asleep for a few minutes and started to sweat profusely.