Thinking ahead, what if I get cancer?

[anzel]

Im not asking about if AAS causes cancer. I am asking about has anyone considered a strategy for the possibility should it come your way at sometime in your life......... I am on TRT so if I am diagnosed with cancer I will need to tell my Dr Im on TRT. He/she will undoubtedly tell me to discontinue TRT while seeking to fight the cancer. This actually appears to be the best choice. Wondering what you guys think.
Also it looks like a diet that is low in carbs and sugar and low in meat is best to fight cancer. Just eat veggies and maybe organic tofu. So consider the situation. No TRT and no high protein bulking going on. Then after a year of chemo the cancer is halted. Whats next?? Go back on TRT and eat a bag of rice every day? Or thats it and welcome to your new life,.?

 

[halfwit]

Im not asking about if AAS causes cancer. I am asking about has anyone considered a strategy for the possibility should it come your way at sometime in your life......... I am on TRT so if I am diagnosed with cancer I will need to tell my Dr Im on TRT. He/she will undoubtedly tell me to discontinue TRT while seeking to fight the cancer. This actually appears to be the best choice. Wondering what you guys think.
Also it looks like a diet that is low in carbs and sugar and low in meat is best to fight cancer. Just eat veggies and maybe organic tofu. So consider the situation. No TRT and no high protein bulking going on. Then after a year of chemo the cancer is halted. Whats next?? Go back on TRT and eat a bag of rice every day? Or thats it and welcome to your new life,.?

What kind of cancer? There are a plethora of types of cancer we're constantly at risk of being diagnosed with. If you're referring to prostate cancer, I'd choke every doctor that even hints at coming off TRT, as there is NO correlation between TRT and prostate cancer outside aromatization into estradiol - which is the carcinogen responsible for a HUGE amount of cancers we face. Did you know that obesity alone accounts for up to 45% of the cancer risks we face?

Know why?

Aromatase enzymes LOVE adipose fat tissues, which generates more estradiol.

I'm going to be a little blunt about this as I know we're constantly bombarded with what to eat, what not to eat, which miracle drugs we should and shouldn't take because the 21st century boogeyman will get us. It's a fact of life that almost every single one of us will get cancer if we live long enough. Seriously. The rates for cancer approach 95% as we approach 80+ years of age, at which point we have the choice of dying to a slow demise from a disease, or going out in a painful (albeit faster) bang of chemotherapy and/or radiation to extend our lifespan by another few years IF we survive.

Thinking of the future and trying to live as healthy as possible is a great goal to aim for, but I do not think it's healthy to avoid actually living out of fear for the consequences of eating that hamburger or occasionally indulging in that drink/dessert. I personally have had to make dramatic lifestyle changes as a diabetic and as such I have a far greater risk of dying younger than most on this board because of it. However, I absolutely refuse to go back to living like a zombie because an undereducated doctor doesn't know anything about hormones, and ASSUMES that testosterone may be detrimental to my health.

Live like a lion, or die like a sheep. The choice is yours.


(Yeah, I reworded the quote a little )

 

[Mad- scientist]

I wouldn't spend to much time worrying about cancer just live your life and have fun.

 

[anzel]

The point of my post was that it is highly likely that I will eventually have to face cancer. If its when Im 80 thats one story but it could also be when im 60. So that being said if you get diagnosed kinda young and you have a lot of life yet to live then what is the strategy? I am not sitting around worrying about getting cancer,.... all that stress could actually give me cancer. No , I am simply considering how I would handle my life the moment I find out, through treatment and then post treatment ( you have to be cancer free for 5 years to be considered cured, so how to live those 5 years??) and then for ever how long beyond that. As opposed to not thinking about it then when you do find out you have zero clue what to do. When I say "what to do" I am talking about TRT,diet, lifestyle etc. It appears that most Dr will ask you to stop TRT it also appears that diet changes should be made. Stuff like that.
Just to repeat myself I am not going around worried all day . I have a job that has higher cancer rates than other jobs out there and my parents werent lucky when it comes to the disease so I am thinking ahead and trying to hope for the best but prepare for the worse.
We see this type of attitude all the time on this forum.,... do your research and know what you are getting into. Im 100% clinical about this. Not a worry wart.

 

[Mprtz]

Let them make their recommendation regarding going off TRT and then make your own educated decision and be in a position to carry out that decision. That's what I would do.

My initial reaction is to say that I'll just blow my brains out if I'm diagnosed with something really serious, but I know from the experiences of others who stated similar intentions and then acted diametrically opposite, that predicting how you will react to some situations just isn't possible.

 

[Shovel]

Get life insurance.

 

[halfwit]

The point of my post was that it is highly likely that I will eventually have to face cancer. If its when Im 80 thats one story but it could also be when im 60. So that being said if you get diagnosed kinda young and you have a lot of life yet to live then what is the strategy? I am not sitting around worrying about getting cancer,.... all that stress could actually give me cancer. No , I am simply considering how I would handle my life the moment I find out, through treatment and then post treatment ( you have to be cancer free for 5 years to be considered cured, so how to live those 5 years??) and then for ever how long beyond that. As opposed to not thinking about it then when you do find out you have zero clue what to do. When I say "what to do" I am talking about TRT,diet, lifestyle etc. It appears that most Dr will ask you to stop TRT it also appears that diet changes should be made. Stuff like that.
Just to repeat myself I am not going around worried all day . I have a job that has higher cancer rates than other jobs out there and my parents werent lucky when it comes to the disease so I am thinking ahead and trying to hope for the best but prepare for the worse.
We see this type of attitude all the time on this forum.,... do your research and know what you are getting into. Im 100% clinical about this. Not a worry wart.

I didn't think you were being a worry wart, just that it's simply something you have to evaluate when the time comes. I'm at risk for oro-esophogeal cancer from years of tobacco use, pancreatic cancer from diabetes, skin cancer from repeated exposure to UV light, heaven knows what kinds of cancer from inhaling silicone and other types of dusts in the manufacturing industries, and that's just the stuff I know about. The statistics for heart disease given my history and overall size is rather poor on top of all the cancer risks.

I'm not going to lose sleep over it; just try to live the best I can and try to make healthy decisions to the best of my ability.

My step father was diagnosed with prostate cancer and was told that he had months to live due to the advanced stage it was in. He cashed in his stocks, bought a trailer, and travelled the country with my mother. He didn't dwell on things, just lived every day as if it was his last - that was 10 years ago, and he's still alive and kicking.

My point is, you can try to plan for the worst, but what is the worst? You can statistically die tomorrow by getting in your car, driving across the street. I would hope that thought doesn't prevent folks from getting in their car anyway.

I guess I am giving a long-winded post stating what Mprtz already stated.

 

[Teutonic]

Anzel,

3 yr s ago after or during the final stages of ejac. my prostate felt like someone kicked my taint. My PSA s were off the chart. A subsequent prostate finger --ck and eno scope revealed a malignant growth on it. They removed it and to be safe put me on chemo iv 3 day s a week w 110 dollar chemo pill tu and th. I was SICK. Dropped to 1802 ish. Cant tolerate anti biotics so chemo almost killed me as that s how they work. The goal being to kill any cancer cell s before the host-me.

2 yr s ago 3 polyp s were cut out of my rectum---another pain in the ass.

None were attributed to AAS. My dad died of 4 cancers at 55 12 day s after a career as a usaf PILOT( 3 Nam tours, F-4 Phantoms) and then civil service. But he did NOTHING FOR HIS HEALTH BUT WORK HIS ASS OFF, SMOKED 2 PACKS pALL mALL S, DRANK LIKE A FISH...ETC.

With you being as cognizant to your health and adherence to the life you ll detect, counter and beat any and all cancers.

But I agree-if found say stage 4 liver cancer---I m selling everything , mailing it to little T, going to Bangkok where a 98 pd size 00 young lady will stuff opium in my pipe till I take the final nod.

 

[Hypnotix]

Get life insurance.

AND, don't tell your doctor you are using ANY AAS!!

That way your family is covered, you can find peace at the end, and be under less stress through your last year(s).

Depending on the development of it.. I likely wouldn't take misery for more time alive. Quality time is more important than the quantity of it. I'd have everything mathematically set, money covering all expenses at the end.. just to live comfortably for the untreated 6mos - 1yr they would give me to live. Fuck 3 years of throwing up every day, losing my hair, withering away and hating myself..

My grandmother is being faced with this very scenario as we speak. It was the saddest thing at first for me.. and then I came to terms with the logic of her decision. She chose quality, over quantity. Wanting more time with her, but at her bodies expense.. is selfish of myself and my family. Natural, but selfish. I've decided I agree more now, and can understand why she chose this route.. It's just sad.

Cancer is a bitch man..

 

[Hypnotix]

Anzel,

3 yr s ago after or during the final stages of ejac. my prostate felt like someone kicked my taint. My PSA s were off the chart. A subsequent prostate finger --ck and eno scope revealed a malignant growth on it. They removed it and to be safe put me on chemo iv 3 day s a week w 110 dollar chemo pill tu and th. I was SICK. Dropped to 1802 ish. Cant tolerate anti biotics so chemo almost killed me as that s how they work. The goal being to kill any cancer cell s before the host-me.

2 yr s ago 3 polyp s were cut out of my rectum---another pain in the ass.

None were attributed to AAS. My dad died of 4 cancers at 55 12 day s after a career as a usaf PILOT( 3 Nam tours, F-4 Phantoms) and then civil service. But he did NOTHING FOR HIS HEALTH BUT WORK HIS ASS OFF, SMOKED 2 PACKS pALL mALL S, DRANK LIKE A FISH...ETC.

With you being as cognizant to your health and adherence to the life you ll detect, counter and beat any and all cancers.

But I agree-if found say stage 4 liver cancer---I m selling everything , mailing it to little T, going to Bangkok where a 98 pd size 00 young lady will stuff opium in my pipe till I take the final nod.

That's interesting. With your prostate/taint example. I've had that feeling in the past. And, I get off quite a bit, 2-3 times a day with her or without, I'll get my nuttin in. It seriously feels like someone kicked your ass hole and caused sharp tingles in your taint.. Will be mindful of this feeling now. Maybe I cum too often?

 

[AlmightyZeus]

What kind of cancer? There are a plethora of types of cancer we're constantly at risk of being diagnosed with. If you're referring to prostate cancer, I'd choke every doctor that even hints at coming off TRT, as there is NO correlation between TRT and prostate cancer outside aromatization into estradiol - which is the carcinogen responsible for a HUGE amount of cancers we face. Did you know that obesity alone accounts for up to 45% of the cancer risks we face?

Know why?

Aromatase enzymes LOVE adipose fat tissues, which generates more estradiol.

I'm going to be a little blunt about this as I know we're constantly bombarded with what to eat, what not to eat, which miracle drugs we should and shouldn't take because the 21st century boogeyman will get us. It's a fact of life that almost every single one of us will get cancer if we live long enough. Seriously. The rates for cancer approach 95% as we approach 80+ years of age, at which point we have the choice of dying to a slow demise from a disease, or going out in a painful (albeit faster) bang of chemotherapy and/or radiation to extend our lifespan by another few years IF we survive.

Thinking of the future and trying to live as healthy as possible is a great goal to aim for, but I do not think it's healthy to avoid actually living out of fear for the consequences of eating that hamburger or occasionally indulging in that drink/dessert. I personally have had to make dramatic lifestyle changes as a diabetic and as such I have a far greater risk of dying younger than most on this board because of it. However, I absolutely refuse to go back to living like a zombie because an undereducated doctor doesn't know anything about hormones, and ASSUMES that testosterone may be detrimental to my health.

Live like a lion, or die like a sheep. The choice is yours.


(Yeah, I reworded the quote a little )

awesome post.

 

[Teutonic]

Zeuz,
Both your content, writing skill s and style are daunting to a lay person like me. I see a bright future here for you and ME learning lot s..if not said before.

Welcome !

 

[Teutonic]

Hippienoximus,

Were your last PSA s within bounds ? Remember PSA s are good numbers to watch butDO NOT stand alone. Now I know your young but if your prostate feels like it s not normal, it s not, OK.

I m happy to say that since removal of my tumor my prostate is delivering more volume, with CUMPSI, and the as previously mentioned with a flatter trajectory. I used to be able to only hit a breast now I can cover a face w "plunging fire" thereby hitting a target s top armour which is usually thinner.

IF this persisit s go see a pretty female Urologist. If your gonna be anally violated it ought to be by a hot female.

( your secret s safe with me)

But it s not something to shelve.

T

 

[anzel]

Ok guys , you all made some good points that hit home with me. I guess I cant really prepare for every thing that can possibly happen to me in the future.
Half wit that was an awesome post.... someone said that already , damn!
Teut its all about trajectory!

 

[Southernfish]

Fuck cancer!!

I am of the thought that if youre getting it, youre getting it, and there is nothing you can do about it. Look at people who smoke 2 packs of cigarettes a day, do drugs, and drink and live into their 80s and 90s. Then look at kids 3 and 4 years old getting cancer just like that, wtf is up with that.

I am also of the though that if you think too much about something it will eventually happen. The mind is a VERY powerful tool, and if you let it, it will take over your life.

I would never say for someone to go Motley Crue because it wont have consequences, but be health conscious in decisions you make in life (eat a nutritious diet, exercise, get routine blood work) and what happens, happens.

Thinking too much about ANYTHING is not healthy in itself.

I don't think about apocalypses nor do I think about cancer, I have no control over either.

 

[Teutonic]

Shredder u r so correct.

Given the maxim-"Stress kill s" You nailed it brother. I used to be the most uptight, stressed out drugged out racist biggotted mf er on here and u know what ?

I ve chilled.

Why ? That shit s gotten me nowhere and not only does it keep my forward progress harder to attain (akin to going up hill in the mud in 2 wheel drive---you will eventually slide back) you find yourself alone, at the bottom....again.

Both my son s innocence, a 2 week stint in lock down and an appreciation of the 4 people I call friends in the real world, the 7 guy s on my work crew, and YOU GUY S..make me a very lucky guy.

I went from being a banned mf er to Sen Mod. I do not know what they were thinking lol but as always s I don t question a gift whore in the south...lol...but rather thank God when good thing s happen. I often say "Thank s dude", and not only solicite his help when once again I m down in a self made hole---------again.

Cancer ????--detection, addressing , crushing it...move on.

We got 1 life here.

Live it.

 

[Dirkmcgirk]

My dad has prostate cancer and the docs literally have his testosterone at 0 because supposedly cancer feeds on testosterone. he is currently seeking alternative medicines

 

[Roush]

My dad has prostate cancer and the docs literally have his testosterone at 0 because supposedly cancer feeds on testosterone. he is currently seeking alternative medicines

If cancer 'feeds' on testosterone, then the male population would have died off from cancer a long time ago (and females would not get cancer)***8230; Unless the docs in this case mean something else by "cancer cells feed off testosterone"

as far as I know they only thing cancer cells feed on is glucose, so an alternative 'medicine' for him may be restricting his carbohydrate intake to zero so that the cancer has no glucose to feed on.

 

[anzel]

If cancer 'feeds' on testosterone, then the male population would have died off from cancer a long time ago (and females would not get cancer)***8230; Unless the docs in this case mean something else by "cancer cells feed off testosterone"

as far as I know they only thing cancer cells feed on is glucose, so an alternative 'medicine' for him may be restricting his carbohydrate intake to zero so that the cancer has no glucose to feed on.

Yes, this is one of the items I mentioned in my opening post that I wnted to address. It looks like a very limited amount of carbs is best when you have cancer. My question was after you are in remission (takes 5 yrs to be cured) you should probably maintain the same diet, go no carb as much as you can. So that means you really cant bulk anymore. And of course if you battled thru using chemo you can expect to lose a majority of your muscle mass. Coming out on the otherside of chemo it would seem to me that putting on muscle should be a priority, but do you do it on a low/no carb diet while on a TRT dose or do you blast agian?? This is really the gist of my thread.

 

[Roush]

Yes, this is one of the items I mentioned in my opening post that I wnted to address. It looks like a very limited amount of carbs is best when you have cancer. My question was after you are in remission (takes 5 yrs to be cured) you should probably maintain the same diet, go no carb as much as you can. So that means you really cant bulk anymore. And of course if you battled thru using chemo you can expect to lose a majority of your muscle mass. Coming out on the otherside of chemo it would seem to me that putting on muscle should be a priority, but do you do it on a low/no carb diet while on a TRT dose or do you blast agian?? This is really the gist of my thread.

yeah I'd ditch carbs all together in that case, except what comes from veggies. I do believe that you can bulk on a ketogenic diet, especially if you add in anti-catabolics like Test and Deca, which could be prescribed. Can you bulk as well as with carbs, no, but remember the bulk on Carbs is glycogen stores and water weight. With keto you just need to be in calorie excess and you'll put on quality gains without the water weight. Fat and protein are responsible for building tissue and the building blocks of our body. You'll bulk just fine, just without the added 'fluff' that carbs provide.