Thinking of going the Maximus route

[Pinner]

Well, after lurking on several sites and using google quite a bit, I've decided to try testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). I'm 38yrs old. I have all the symptoms of low T. I can barely stay up past 10pm. I can't get myself to the gym. I'm not initiating sex with my wife. I'm depressed most of the time. I have zero confidence. I just don't enjoy ANYTHING. I take fucking naps on the weekend!! I never used to do that. On top of it all, my body is fading fast. I was in great shape last year. Shit, I've been in great shape all my life. I was working out a lot, completely motivated. Then last year I hit a wall. Nothing I was doing could change my body composition. The thing is, I look like I'm 28. But I'm starting to feel older than 38.

I'm not even going to try and deal with my primary care physician. She's a woman. When I told her I think I might have low T, she asked If I was still able to have sex, "because I can prescribe Viagra for that," she said. They just don't get it. Once I'm up it's no problem. It's the desire to initiate that is lacking. She basically said that getting old sucks. I refuse to accept that.

I asked for a blood test. I told her to check for testosterone. However, I have a few questions:

1) I haven't talked to Chip yet. Do I need to ask for a specific set of T tests? Will my request for her to check my testosterone levels automatically include all the necessary test to be sufficient to submit to Maximus? (FYI, the blood work link on the Maximus website wasn't working when I last checked)

2) I will be getting a physical this week. Do I need a rectal exam or will a PST test suffice?

3) So, is this Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) troche for real? I've heard that any Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) other than injection is pure bullshit. I found an older thread on here about the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) troche but I haven't read anything since. I have no problem pinning myself with T once a week. However, having to also pin Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 2-3 times a week will be a bit of a pain in the ass. I'm trying to make this as easy as possible. My wife knows I will be doing testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), but if I'm mixing up HCG, storing it in the fridge, and pinning myself 4/week, it will be too much. I'm trying to keep this out of site, out of mind. I also travel, and I don't want to have to be mixing Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) while traveling.

4) Will I need blood tests often? I've read other peoples' stories on here and I hope I don't have to go through the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) problems some of you have to go through. Trying to find the proper dose, getting blood work, feeling like shit because of E2, etc. Again, I'm hoping to make my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) experience as simple as possible.

5) Will I have to donate blood often? How will I know when It's time to donate blood? My goal is to keep the needle out of my vein as much as possible. No problem with IM. Absolutely hate IV.

Thanks in advance to anyone who is able to help answer any or all of these questions. Sorry If they have already been addressed elsewhere.

 

[mlc31]

First thing you should do is fill out the the Maximus questionnaire and send it in to Chip. There are very specific instructions on the Maximus website and in the information packets you can download from there.
1. There are specific tests Maximus needs to have your doctor do. T is just one of them. This will be in the initial paperwork you can download from Maximus or Chip can send you.

2. PSA test does not mean rectal exam. No worries there.

3. Have not tried Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) troches. However, if the pharmacy carries it you can be assured it is for real.

4. Blood tests every 3 months are probably sufficient.

5. I don't think you will have to worry about donating blood often. This is testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), not an AAS cycle. You are simply bringing your T levels up to normal levels.

Please email Chip and you will see what everyone else here has been saying. He's great to work with and will have you straightened out in no time. But, you really should fill out the Maximus paperwork first and get it sent in. This will at least get the ball rolling. Hope this helps you and please keep us informed of your progress. Good luck.

 

[Pinner]

Thanks for the response Mic.

I filled out the initial questionnaire. I received the autoreply. I haven't replied to that one yet.

None of the forms tell me which tests I need done. The link to get bloodwork is not working. I would rather get my BW done with my physician because insurance will cover it.

Anybody else here using the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) troche?

Thanks for your reply. I'll follow up with Chip/Maximus later today.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

thanks for the response mic.

I filled out the initial questionnaire. I received the autoreply. I haven't replied to that one yet.

None of the forms tell me which tests i need done. The link to get bloodwork is not working. I would rather get my bw done with my physician because insurance will cover it.

Anybody else here using the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) troche?

Thanks for your reply. I'll follow up with chip/maximus later today.

pinner... Try the blood link again. I'm on right now and it works fine. Had a server issue for about an hour yesterday, but all is well? Thx for the submission.

 

[Pinner]

Chip,

The link is working. Thanks. I sent you an email as well with a few questions.

Thanks.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

chip,

the link is working. Thanks. I sent you an email as well with a few questions.

Thanks.

pinner...... My "link" always works! Lol

 

[Pinner]

Your sausage link?

This forum is and endless source of entertainment.

 

[cjw2021]

You won't regret it. Chip's service and understanding will make you a porn star.

 

[Pinner]

I talked to him today. Great guy. He put all my fears to rest.

I'll keep everyone updated once I start my protocol.

 

[toshort]

My friend, do this:...1. Go with Maximus Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) (Chip). 2. Let your female doc prescribe you the Viagra, and in less than 4 weeks you will be chasing your wife around the house for wild sex.....and she WILL let you catch her.......

 

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I got my BW back. I had done this before I knew which tests to ask for.

Free T3: 3.42 range 2.39-6.79
Testosterone: 3.4 ng/mL range for males: 1.75-7.81ng/mL
FT4: .94 range: 0.67-1.29
TSH: 1.650 uIU/mL range: 0.34-5.60

How does this look?

 

[cjw2021]

You need free test/SHBG and E2.

 

[Pinner]

Yeah, I definitely need to get more BW done. Just curious if anything can be learned from what I have here.

Thanks for responding.

 

[BBE]

Got all my bloods done today at a labcorp, awaiting the results. After having nothing but bad experiences with all regular MD's I've been to over the past few weeks regarding testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) I'm really hoping the maximus route is as good as you all say it is. I'm hoping to get started on it ASAP as soon as I get those bloods back from labcorp. From what I hear a FREE test result usually takes a little longer than the standard 1-2 days. Maybe not though...

 

[cjw2021]

Nothing can be drawn from those labs you have except that your total testosterone is worse than 50% of the population. Much of the reason Chip's clients are successful is because it's no bullshit. It's not a doctor who read in an endo journal that 100mg a week of test will cure every patient. You guys realize the "healthy" reference ranges for estrogen levels and shbg levels in men are so high that if your numbers are even in the middle of that range you could easily have erectile dysfunction and constant fatigue? Those reference ranges are a complete joke because they count every unhealthy person that steps foot in there and averages them out. Most people don't have testosterone even tested that aren't unhealthy to begin with or old. Think about that. So those reference ranges are basically from old, unhealthy people. I'd bet if you threw our current living people in the jungle like our ancestors and made them survive for 1 year most of them would die they are that unhealthy.

 

[BBE]

Nothing can be drawn from those labs you have except that your total testosterone is worse than 50% of the population. Much of the reason Chip's clients are successful is because it's no bullshit. It's not a doctor who read in an endo journal that 100mg a week of test will cure every patient. You guys realize the "healthy" reference ranges for estrogen levels and shbg levels in men are so high that if your numbers are even in the middle of that range you could easily have erectile dysfunction and constant fatigue? Those reference ranges are a complete joke because they count every unhealthy person that steps foot in there and averages them out. Most people don't have testosterone even tested that aren't unhealthy to begin with or old. Think about that. So those reference ranges are basically from old, unhealthy people. I'd bet if you threw our current living people in the jungle like our ancestors and made them survive for 1 year most of them would die they are that unhealthy.

agreed. I'm 25 years old, the first time I had total T done it was 327, and the doc said well test isn't your problem, that looks good.

Second time I had it done it was 277, and he said that that's a little low, he'd like to see it in the 400's, but it wasn't that big of deal.

I told him HE wasn't that big of a deal, and we proceeded to part ways, LOL.

 

[cjw2021]

Yeah bro, my test ranged from 270-300 something and I couldn't even get out of bed because my body had been running on fumes..such low levels for that long. I am the ultimate Maximus story. Chronic fatigue, immune dysfunction, everything practically to now feeling like superman with no problems.

 

[BBE]

Yeah bro, my test ranged from 270-300 something and I couldn't even get out of bed because my body had been running on fumes..such low levels for that long. I am the ultimate Maximus story. Chronic fatigue, immune dysfunction, everything practically to now feeling like superman with no problems.

YES that is EXACTLY what I have been going through! Word for word brotha. I'm really excited to try and turn things around with maximus.

 

[Pinner]

I told my doc how I feel. Chronically tired. She suggested bloodwork. But I had to ask specifically for the testosterone test. "Got your results back. You're fine". Fucking bullshit. They don't even do all the necessary tests. I'm seeing another doc next week. A male one. I'm bringing my print out from the Maximus site that shows which tests I need.

 

[BBE]

I told my doc how I feel. Chronically tired. She suggested bloodwork. But I had to ask specifically for the testosterone test. "Got your results back. You're fine". Fucking bullshit. They don't even do all the necessary tests. I'm seeing another doc next week. A male one. I'm bringing my print out from the Maximus site that shows which tests I need.

I hope you have better luck with a regular MD than I did bro. It seems every one of them has something specific he/she think is the one test they need. My first doc was all about total T, didn't care about free T. Second doctor was a urologist, he says total T doesn't matter, it's irrelevant, the only one that matters is free T, so then I had to get a free T test done. Third doctor says neither matter, it's about your estrogen level, so then had to get estrogen done. They all piss me off so much...