thinking on starting a ph cycle/m1t

[Greatztin]

Hey m8's very awesome forum btw, looks great.

Anyways, im a mma'er and been training for 6 years, i strarted strength training 2 years ago, and had some good strength gains, aside from that, i was never able to build one pound of muscle..

I've used many diets in the past, went from 200 to 1500calories over my bmr, and either i gain fat, or i lose muscle when trying to cut. My strength gains are fine, i am just in need of fixing my weight a bit.. i am strong for my weight but im still 178.8lbs at 17%BF, been this since forever.

I am currently on john berardi's 170 muscle building sample diet from grapplers gym book, only thing i added was some casein and zma pre bed, and sometimes 2 tbs of pb in the middle of the night if im hungry.

I was curious on starting a PH cycle, was thinking of m1t, i heard many people getting great gains which kept on this cycle, im just looking for a way to change my body composition.

Hopefully i can receive some good information here, thanks mates.

 

[gdaddypurp]

is m1t all u have acess to?

 

[epoxy]

I thought they stopped making that stuff years ago.

 

[Greatztin]

no not really, I thought of this because i had good reviews on it and two of my friends said they had made great gains on it, and kept em all, it was their only and first cycle. if u got any other tips go ahead lemme here em out.

 

[gdaddypurp]

yeah m1t works man no doubt....but if u have the cash there are much better and healthier options.

 

[samj97j]

what are the differences

what are the major diffs. between an oral ph cycle and an injectable steroid cycle? I heard the oral like mdrol or hdrol had more sides and less effective .

 

[kingsfandave]

oral pro hormones pound of the liver, and kidneys too. They are methylated and some say they are not worth it. I have done them as well as injectables, I took havoc (epistane) and loved it. I took superdrol and even though the gains were really good i felt like shit the whole time i ran it, and then i got delayed gyno. Do alot of research, these things are legal but no joke. I personally like sticking to pinning, but thats not saying i wouldn't run one ever again. It all depends on what u have access too. For me test is key. Although i would like to run a tren pro hormone product, i have heard some good things about them. From people i know who have done m1T is that the stuff is the real deal and not good for you at all, so if you do it make sure you run a good amount of support supps and have a nice pct planned out

 

[Greatztin]

i also have heard good stuff about hermadrol/propadrol, although it doesnt seem very common, i have access to this aswell, but i want to know, what is a good ph to start off with, im only thinking on doing 1 cycle, and i know there are some that are not suggested for first timers, like masterdrol i beleive ?

i read great reviews on 11-oxo wiht a 6-oxo pct, also good for fat loss which woud be nice aswell

 

[gdaddypurp]

bro, if u must do a PH try out some trenadrol, that stuff will make you strong as hell, much more than m1t will.

But, y not just run some real gear? Are you avoiding pinning for any reason? Trying to stick to the legal route?

If legal route is the case try some stuff called spawn....its a mix or pheraplex, trenadrol, and epistane. That should be real nice. Even the 1-Tren that just came out from primo performance, you could check that out.

I wouldnt have done ph's last year if i took the time to find a source for the real thing....i figured they were all gone after ssb went down, to bad i did not know what i know now, i woulda been much better off.

 

[Greatztin]

hm thanx for the info bud, the thing is im only thinking on going on one cycle to help peirce my plateau, the thing is i knew a guy who used needles, like trenbolone and stuff, and he really didnt keep any of his gains, i heard good things on ph's and personally for a start i would rather go oral then pins. i heard good things on tren aswell, good for starters that im not sure i'll read up, and send out more info thanks dude

 

[gdaddypurp]

you got a PM bro

 

[Greatztin]

what about anavar ? heard its very safe, havoc aswell