TRENBOLONE cycle - not first cycle

[fxalco]

Hello, my idea is:
4 weeks of trenbolone + D-bol
4 weeks of PCT
and then repeat 3 or 4 times a year
The theory of short cycles! enter and exit without leaving damage!

w 1-4 Tren A 300mg / w (in 3 times)
w 1-4 D-bol 30 mg / ED
w 5-8 classic PCT clomid 50 (or Nolva 40 40 20 20)

is need: Finasteride and Niacin?

many comments!

 

[noway55]

Don't see too many short cycles being run... Why no test?

 

[China_Wall]

Hello, my idea is:
4 weeks of trenbolone + D-bol
4 weeks of post cycle therapy (pct)
and then repeat 3 or 4 times a year
The theory of short cycles! enter and exit without leaving damage!

w 1-4 Tren A 300mg / w (in 3 times)
w 1-4 D-bol 30 mg / ED
w 5-8 classic post cycle therapy (pct) clomid 50 (or Nolva 40 40 20 20)

is need: Finasteride and Niacin?

many comments!

1. too short
2. no test
3. even tren a takes 2 weeks to show it's full effect
4. sorry... this would do more harm than good

 

[anewguy]

your theory is very well thought through.. ha.

 

[fxalco]

The idea behind short cycles is to "get in" quick, hit the androgen receptors hard, get some gains, and then get the hell out as fast as possible so as to minimize sides. So with this in mind one should only use orals and rapid acting/clearing injectables. The limited time "on' simply doesn't justify the use of the "slower" esterfied injectables like deca etc. Also, these same roids take too long to clear the system and that too goes against the philosophy of short cycles.

The gear choosen should be powerful for best results and doses need to be decent as well in order to get the most from the short time on.

 

[fxalco]

1. too short
2. no test
3. even tren a takes 2 weeks to show it's full effect
4. sorry... this would do more harm than good

becomes a pre load the first shot with 200 mg of Tren.
in addition, D-bol is not an ester (half-life of a few hours ...)
I do not think that it takes 2 weeks to go operational in blood flow

 

[fxalco]

repeat: the cycle 4+4 is immediately repeated, for 3 or 4 times a year. I know that a cycle of 12 weeks brings the greatest results, but the "off" time is always greater than the time "on". in the theory of short cycles, the time "off" are 50% only

 

[fxalco]

Don't see too many short cycles being run... Why no test?

do a short cycle (no Test of 12 w) because:
Do them to have less of a negative impact on ones lipid profile and to have less total time per year with a poor lipid profile.
Do them to decrease liver stress.
Do them if you want to "tone down" your use of steroids.
Do them if you do NOT want to use HCG during a cycle to prevent testicular atrophy.
Do them if you do not want to see much in the way of water retention and do not want to use an estrogen inhibitor or an ace inhibitor (diuretic).
Do them if you get high blood pressure and do not wish to use the above mentioned ancillaries.
Do them if you are sick of androgenic sides such as ance, prostate hypertrophy and hair loss(if prone to hair loss) etc etc.
Do them if you are tired of walking around with high estrogen levels for months on end and do not wish to or cannot afford to use an estrogen inhibitor. High estrogen levels are NOT good for the prostate at all!

 

[fxalco]

your theory is very well thought through.. ha.

funny as shit

 

[anewguy]

You are an idiot. You plan to shut yourself down with no test every four weeks. You wot even be able to recover... You'll be shut down the whole time you do this.

I have no reason to make this up. I could give a shit about you... Why would I go out of my way to help you if you already know everything? Then again... If you already know, WHY ARE YOU ASKING?!

 

[fxalco]

You are an idiot. You plan to shut yourself down with no test every four weeks. You wot even be able to recover... You'll be shut down the whole time you do this.

I have no reason to make this up. I could give a shit about you... Why would I go out of my way to help you if you already know everything? Then again... If you already know, WHY ARE YOU ASKING?!

Hi asshole! You better explain to me, please.

 

[bigherm2121]

Tren will suppress you fast so you'll Def be shutdown. Listen to the guys this is just a dumb idea man.

 

[China_Wall]

so u are never taking any time off... 4 wks of tren a and dbol, 4 wks PCT, then repeat... all without any test... wow

and as far as your theory about being on for shorter duration allows your body to recover faster... that is 100% false. No matter if ur on for 4 wks or 4 months the compounds will clear your body at the exact same rate

if this was such an amazing, cure all answer to improving a physique it would have been done by many people for many years already... BUT u seem to think u can re-invent the wheel... another wow

u got a lot to figure out bro... but I guess u can just live an learn

 

[fxalco]

so u are never taking any time off... 4 wks of tren a and dbol, 4 wks post cycle therapy (pct), then repeat... all without any test... wow

and as far as your theory about being on for shorter duration allows your body to recover faster... that is 100% false. No matter if ur on for 4 wks or 4 months the compounds will clear your body at the exact same rate

if this was such an amazing, cure all answer to improving a physique it would have been done by many people for many years already... BUT u seem to think u can re-invent the wheel... another wow

u got a lot to figure out bro... but I guess u can just live an learn

but what's wrong? in 4 weeks is not suppressed HTPA axis, so you will not have a down period where you lose most of the results.
the theory of short cycles do not come from me!
why not right? is risky for my body?
controlling cholesterol, blood pressure and doing a good post cycle therapy (pct) where is the problem?
earnings are not those of a test cycle of 12 weeks, however, the theory runs healthier.

 

[mlupi319]

but what's wrong? in 4 weeks is not suppressed HTPA axis, so you will not have a down period where you lose most of the results.
the theory of short cycles do not come from me!
why not right? is risky for my body?
controlling cholesterol, blood pressure and doing a good post cycle therapy (pct) where is the problem?
earnings are not those of a test cycle of 12 weeks, however, the theory runs healthier.

You don't think you will be significantly shutdown from 4 weeks of dbol and tren?..good luck

Also being ON cycle is where you make gains, post cycle therapy (pct) is where you can lose them... Therefore you want to increase the ratio of Time-On : post cycle therapy (pct) A 12week cycle has a ratio of 3:1 yours is a 1:1

 

[fxalco]

You don't think you will be significantly shutdown from 4 weeks of dbol and tren?..good luck

Also being ON cycle is where you make gains, post cycle therapy (pct) is where you can lose them... Therefore you want to increase the ratio of Time-On : post cycle therapy (pct) A 12week cycle has a ratio of 3:1 yours is a 1:1

the "off" time of a cycle of 12 weeks is 12 weeks! not 4 weeks. Therefore, the ratio is always 1:1. we all know that the "off" time must be greater than or equal to the period "on". So in short cycle theory our bodies are much less stressed out

 

[China_Wall]

the "off" time of a cycle of 12 weeks is 12 weeks! not 4 weeks. Therefore, the ratio is always 1:1. we all know that the "off" time must be greater than or equal to the period "on". So in short cycle theory our bodies are much less stressed out

u are missing one VERY important point... post cycle therapy (pct) is to be included as part of the duration of the cycle, it is NOT part of time off. If someone runs a 12 wk cycle their time on will be 18 wks (12 wks test, 2 wks wait until post cycle therapy (pct), 4 wks post cycle therapy (pct))... then time off will be 18 wks as well... u get it??

so if u want a 1:1 ratio u should be taking 8 weeks off after your 8 weeks of "whatever u call it" (4wks tren/dbol, 4wks post cycle therapy (pct))

 

[fxalco]

u are missing one VERY important point... post cycle therapy (pct) is to be included as part of the duration of the cycle, it is NOT part of time off. If someone runs a 12 wk cycle their time on will be 18 wks (12 wks test, 2 wks wait until post cycle therapy (pct), 4 wks post cycle therapy (pct))... then time off will be 18 wks as well... u get it??

so if u want a 1:1 ratio u should be taking 8 weeks off after your 8 weeks of "whatever u call it" (4wks tren/dbol, 4wks post cycle therapy (pct))

exact. so why my cycle is not good?

 

[User Name:]

Do you have any idea what you're getting yourself into? Tren is VERY harsh on the HTPA axis and recovery from cycles containing tren is definitely NOT easy.

 

[China_Wall]

personally I think 6 wks would be the bare minimum to see any kind of results... and that would include test prop or test suspension along with the tren a

then u would take a week off before doing a 4 week post cycle therapy (pct)... starting post cycle therapy (pct) too soon is one of the biggest mistakes out there. Give your body time for your test levels to get as low as possible, that way the clomid/nolva will be so much more effective at restoring natural test production

i see your point, I just don't agree with it... once again, TOO short and NO test = no results + a good case of limp dick