Triceps tendonitis and rotator cuff pain. Connected?

bigtimechief

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Hey guys. Have had persistent tendonitis in my elbow. I've been dealing as best I can. However, presumably my rotator (back of shoulder) has been tight and inflamed. Bench press is a no go because of the shoulder pain. Is it possible they are connected? Any experience with corrective exercises? Would like to elaborate, but on my phone. Any help would be fantastic.
 
Hey guys. Have had persistent tendonitis in my elbow. I've been dealing as best I can. However, presumably my rotator (back of shoulder) has been tight and inflamed. Bench press is a no go because of the shoulder pain. Is it possible they are connected? Any experience with corrective exercises? Would like to elaborate, but on my phone. Any help would be fantastic.

Your elbow is probably Epicondylitis (also know as tennis elbow. I have found with myself and literature it is not curable but manageable . My doc gives me injections in the site and it elevates it for a few months. Also Ibuprofen 800mg before workout .
The injections are really good.
As far as rotator cup someone should chime in. Mind is not good so I am careful. Good luck
 
I know testosterone decreases collagen synthesis, which doesn't help when I'm actively growing muscle and training hard. I'm running npp in hopes of a little comfort, but it's just a stop gap. I'm avoiding painful lifts, which has helped my elbow. But more and more, I'm having to avoid a lot. I'd like to avoid getting boxed in. Thanks mike
 
Also my training has changed quite a bit. Lower weight, shorter rest periods. It seems to be working so far, but lifting heavy has always worked wonders for me. I just can train that way right now.
 
Rotator Cuff tendinitis and elbow tendinitis (tennis or golfer's elbow) shouldn't be directly connected. But they both may be caused by the same exercise. Sounds like you need to check your form and/or back off on the weight you are lifting.

If you are on a cycle, check your estradiol. One of my first symptoms of low estradiol is elbow pain. You may be taking too much AI.
 
Tnx mega. Elbow started with skull crushers and has persisted. It's the most manageable. E2 is actually a little high right now.

I have a tendency to flare my elbows when I bench. Dropping the exercise all together to see if it's the culprit.

Is it possible that I'm growing to fast?
 
I'm about 6 1 240. 10-12% bf. I've left my natural self behind. I guess I'm wondering if tendon issues become more prevalent the bigger we become, speed of growth, etc
 
it is more prevalent with ectomorphs . Small boned people also have less size to there tendons (Simple Simon ) so when we lift heavy , heavier than with out gear we strain the tendons... right! so on tri's change your grip angle and maybe find some relief. Also ya know lift lighter and try to build up some size. I was also taking prednisone 10mg daily. Ibuprofen @ 800mg three time a day. That's not good for your liver but it helped me get through the training until the injections started to work.

Now always 800mg 1 hr before training.
 
Elbow tendonitis (proper term tendonopathy as there is little to no inflammatory component can be treated in a number of ways but normally resolves by itself over time). Go to see a PT to determine whether its a joint or tendon related problem. Tendon will be treated via ultrasound, frictioning eccentric exercises to stimulate collagen remodelling. Joint via mobilisation.

Rotator cuff problems are the bane of very existence. The shoulder joint is very unstable and is held in place predominantly by "tonic" muscle contraction anterior pull from the deltoids posterior pull from the rotator cuff group. Doing a lot of shoulder/chest work the muscles which pull the shoulder forwards (anteriorly) are going to become a hell of a lot stronger than those that pull backwards (posteriorly) the rotator cuff muscles supra/infra spinatus, teres minor and subscap. You are likely to have a protracted (for you) posture. This causes the space between your glenoid and humerus to become smaller and the supraspinatus tendon most commonly becomes irritated inflammed and you present with the shoulder pain.

For this is is MUCH more important to see a PT as left uncorrected can cause permenent damage to the tendon, mobilisations/massage may help but you need assessment of your posture. Strengthen the rotator cuff muscles. Depending on the severity relative rest i.e no pressing may be needed.

In terms of prevention rotator cuff exercises 3 x a week as a MINIMUM Google them.

Face pulls are extremely good for activation of the shoulder girdle muscles when done properly.

Rotator cuff problems can take a while to sort out but once sorted prevention exercises in all likelihood keep it from reoccurring.

Injections will mask the pain, enable you to train, maybe resolve any inflammation but the problem will still be there. Proper exercise therapy is very likely to prevent it from occuring and will actually probably increase your pressing ability

Like i said go see a PT get properly diagnosed.It may not be a rotator cuff problem at all.
 
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Best way to strengthen the rotator cuff muscles is to make a pot of mashed potatoes and stir them with a wood spoon. Go in both directions. Old pitcher's trick.
 
Elbow tendonitis (proper term tendonopathy as there is little to no inflammatory component can be treated in a number of ways but normally resolves by itself over time). Go to see a PT to determine whether its a joint or tendon related problem. Tendon will be treated via ultrasound, frictioning eccentric exercises to stimulate collagen remodelling. Joint via mobilisation.

Rotator cuff problems are the bane of very existence. The shoulder joint is very unstable and is held in place predominantly by "tonic" muscle contraction anterior pull from the deltoids posterior pull from the rotator cuff group. Doing a lot of shoulder/chest work the muscles which pull the shoulder forwards (anteriorly) are going to become a hell of a lot stronger than those that pull backwards (posteriorly) the rotator cuff muscles supra/infra spinatus, teres minor and subscap. You are likely to have a protracted (for you) posture. This causes the space between your glenoid and humerus to become smaller and the supraspinatus tendon most commonly becomes irritated inflammed and you present with the shoulder pain.

For this is is MUCH more important to see a PT as left uncorrected can cause permenent damage to the tendon, mobilisations/massage may help but you need assessment of your posture. Strengthen the rotator cuff muscles. Depending on the severity relative rest i.e no pressing may be needed.

In terms of prevention rotator cuff exercises 3 x a week as a MINIMUM Google them.

Face pulls are extremely good for activation of the shoulder girdle muscles when done properly.

Rotator cuff problems can take a while to sort out but once sorted prevention exercises in all likelihood keep it from reoccurring.

Injections will mask the pain, enable you to train, maybe resolve any inflammation but the problem will still be there. Proper exercise therapy is very likely to prevent it from occuring and will actually probably increase your pressing ability

Like i said go see a PT get properly diagnosed.It may not be a rotator cuff problem at all.

Excellent post!

The only thing I'd add to that is doing cable internal/external rotator stretches on chest day before any presses really helps too. Just remember that it doesn't take a lot of weight to stretch them out. :)

Skull crushers, triceps push downs, overhead triceps extensions, and seated push downs are all rough on that little tendon in your elbow. I stopped doing heavier weight with all of those but the seated push downs, and focus more on negative phase work to bring the triceps out more. I don't have tennis elbow, but my tendon will slip over the bone - giving quite the unpleasant sensation. :p
 
I house sat for a friend a couple years ago and the bed I slept in was soft and concave. For whatever reason it screwed up my shoulder. I thought is was the rotator cuff people started saying I was gunna need surgery this and that. I started sleeping with my arm straight up towards the head of the bed because of the pain and I think it hindered the recovery. Anyways the bottom line is that bed believe it or not screwed up my shoulder. I know this isn't a fix all solution. Just saying that how you sleep on an injury may be something to be aware of.
 
Having same problem with pain rear delt/rotator cuff and kept training...now have pain in rear of elbow and outer elbow between bicep and forearm muscles...it's been several months. Guess I should get some PT.
 
I appreciate the help guys. Running ibuprofen and watching form closely. Dropped bench. Hopefully that's all it takes. Will be doing rotator exercises as well. If that doesn't work, it's on to the doc.
 
Hey guys. Have had persistent tendonitis in my elbow. I've been dealing as best I can. However, presumably my rotator (back of shoulder) has been tight and inflamed. Bench press is a no go because of the shoulder pain. Is it possible they are connected? Any experience with corrective exercises? Would like to elaborate, but on my phone. Any help would be fantastic.

I was lifting pretty heavy weights on a regular basis around 2 years back ..i have done cycles in the past without pct's and so i was having a low T and little high e2 ..anyways i was weak but i kept on pushing the same amount of weights and that time i injured my rotator cuff(of course i didnt know what it was ) so i kept on doing shoulder barbell presses , bench presses ..until i strted feeling tingling all the way from my rotator cuff area travelling through my triceps and till my fingers ..then i was also losing strength on my afffected (right ) shoulder . So i decided to go to a Physio and he asked me to get an MRI done..So it came out to be supraspinatus tendonitis and there was also some fluid accumulation in my biceps .

So the physio asked me to stop doing weoghts for the time being and he made a plan for me .He Basically asked me for the first few days to only stretch my posterior and anterior delt for like 10 times each with a 5 count hold at the stretch. and after the stretches they would ice my shoulder usually the anterior part as they said thats the origin ..

After doing this and resting for a few days he also put me on some exercise for strengthening the scapula and the supraspinatus with the help of a theraband now my left side was absolutely fine but the affected right shoulder was unable to finsh the movements . But gradually i moved on to a tougher theraband .

THEY TOLD ME TO ICE IT 3 TIMES A DAY and 4 minutes at a time to reduce the inflammation . I religiuously did all the therapy for a long time without doing weights except legs all this time . I started feeling better and after some time i started my weight training again slowly .

Modifications in your movements , ROM , Weights is a must if you want to survive in the long run , i wouldnt say its absolutely fine but yes i can train , not as heavy but decent enough to change my body . DO proper warm ups , Like before doing chest i would also warm up shoulders properly , i do all the shoulder stretches pre and post workouts obviously post workouts are held for a longer durations . Also i have found out Bench press bothers me more than dumbbell presses , i have stopped doing the full incline presses , i do semi inclined dumbbell presses . I start with a machine most of the times before jumping on to bench or heavy dumbbell presses. It really helps . Also i still put ice after every workout.

I can relate to what your condition is cos i also feel my right arm always feels heavier from the inside (not size wise) just there is some kind of heaviness around the elbow and tricep area .

You should take care of it now before it gets worse .
Hope it helps a bit .
 
Thank you very much! I'm going to look into some of the anatomy you mentioned, and start researching a bit on the general area. The shoulder is far more complex than I've realized, and I'm due for some solid studying. Thanks for reaching out man, really appreciate it.

I have NOT been stretching properly before my sessions and I know this is bad. Although I've been doing this a long time, my body has never yelled at me like it has been. I look at this as an opportunity to improve and take better care.

I'm a bit disappointed that I've ignored all the advice over the years about stretching, warming up, and nailing perfect form. I'm preparing for my first show soon, and I'm hoping to get this under control.

I've been doing dumbbell work exclusively, and it's definitely prevented further aggravation. Also performing rotator strengthening exercises. So far so good.
 
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