Var used as a anti catabolic in a cut cycle.

[SoCalSwole]

My wife and I compete in the NPC. She has taken a few anavar cycles with great success all at low doses, she made great gains. We decided to do a stronger cycle for her for 12 weeks so we ran injectable Primo at 75 a week along with anavar at 15mg a day the last 4 weeks with continuing the var for an additional 6 weeks for a total of 10. She is currently 5'7" and 125 pounds

Now she made great gains. Like 10 pounds of lean mass. She is already very lean and competes in the Physique class. Last time we checked her BF she was at 14% in the off season at the end of said cycle. She goes as low as 10 on stage.

My question and or observation is this. After the cycle I had been preparing her for a dip in weight and strength after coming off the Primo. What we noticed is that even 4 weeks after the last pin she was still making gains and feeling great. 2 months later and she still has all the gains and looks and feels great.

So what gives? Do women not have the after cycle dip like guys do or did the var help hold the gains? If this effect works on females will it work on males?

Or is this just how primo works and if that's the case, why aren't more guys signing the praises of primo?

Has anyone else experienced this, or can you add some additional knowledge to this? Thsnks

 

[Uso]

Possibly an explanation of this is that she is less sensitive to the negative effects of estrogen and her naturally elevated levels(relative to males) actually helped her maintain weight when she came off. Where as guys we suppress our estrogen and the HPTA shutdown is responsible for our natural production... So we have low levels of estrogen and very low levels of testosterone when coming off. That coupled with high levels of cortisol is the catabolic effect we see during PCT.


Compounds used can also cause different levels of suppression and shutdown along with length of cycle.

 

[SoCalSwole]

Well I am a cruise guy now. So it doesn't really matter for me. But in the interest of just continuing to learn is why I ask. I thought that too as well, that the lack of test levels combined with low E in males in PCT is what generally steals all the gains. Also yes the compounds used are a huge factor. i primarily use stuff that keeps me rather dry and lean but guys that use d bol and deca and try to cycle that go could lose 20 pounds post cycle agreed. I don't lose a pound when I go back to cruise levels

 

[SoCalSwole]

I guess I am asking if Anavar has ever been shown to minimize post cycle gains? Technically yes I know if your on var then your on cycle. But perhaps its something to look into. Could lessen the blow of PCT if you were to run low dose var during pct. take the low dose var up to 4 weeks post cycle and into and after PCT then go off. then run another short PCT or maybe just an HCG blast for a week. Perhaps it can save gains during the PCT process.

Any thoughts?

 

[Roush]

Primo is prob one of the best anti-catabolic compounds out there and is very clean, doesn't aromatize and is not toxic.. Running it for months at a time on a cruise will keep you feeling great and keep u from loosing gains.
I vote Primo e 600 mg a week.. Again can be run months at a time,, var is liver and lipid toxic and can't (shouldn't) be ran on a cruise long term

 

[Uso]

Eventually you will have to come off everything included pct drugs to fully recover. So I would not, use var and pct.
There have been some guys who would run "blocks" in a way. In theory starting with the drugs that suppressed the hardest then phasing them out to lighter ones

Example:
Test+Npp 6wks
Test+Mast 6wks
Mast+Var 2wks

Then lower doses until total was under 250mg/wk with use of HCG, than go on PCT

Seemed like the guys I knew doing this would only be off cycle temporarily 1month or two. Then back on, the idea was it had less of an overall shutdown effect, fertility was major concern I believe.

 

[Teutonic]

Well except that pct is to re start NATURAL hpta function AS MUCH AS PRE CYCLE. I ve always s read u r either on or off...for us trt then blast or cruise guy s it s a different set of rules.

I speak only from reading though;never ever done it.

 

[Uso]

Primo is prob one of the best anti-catabolic compounds out there and is very clean, doesn't aromatize and is not toxic.. Running it for months at a time on a cruise will keep you feeling great and keep u from loosing gains.
I vote Primo e 600 mg a week.. Again can be run months at a time,, var is liver and lipid toxic and can't (shouldn't) be ran on a cruise long term

I need to have a conversation with my endo, maybe drop the var for awhile and use primo for a bit. 600mg/wk sounds pricey though... not that var isn't.

 

[SoCalSwole]

Hmm, Sounds lie the general consensus is it's the Primo. Problem is at the doses I would need to run it I might as well just go GH. Her dose was so low we could justify the cost.

Thanks,

 

[Roush]

$1000 should get you a decent run of 18 weeks or so

 

[SoCalSwole]

Or 3 kits of HGH

 

[Uso]

Script correct? I go 12wks at a time so $750 ehh not too much more.

 

[Roush]

Script correct? I go 12wks at a time so $750 ehh not too much more.

No my script through anti aging clinic is like 160 a bottle, so it's way more.. I personally run both script and UGL

 

[Roush]

Or 3 kits of HGH

I'd take AAS over hgh any day.. Big muscles are better then nice skin, hair, and nails

 

[Uso]

I assume 100mg/ml

Well if I ran 400mg/wk it be about $800 for 12wks if it is $160 a vial.

Guess that raises the question is 350mg/wk of anavar or 400mg/wk of primo better? and worth the extra cash

 

[SoCalSwole]

I assume 100mg/ml

Well if I ran 400mg/wk it be about $800 for 12wks if it is $160 a vial.

Guess that raises the question is 350mg/wk of anavar or 400mg/wk of primo better? and worth the extra cash

Yea and good var is not cheap either. Injectable var would be good. Has anyone seen it?

 

[Roush]

I assume 100mg/ml

Well if I ran 400mg/wk it be about $800 for 12wks if it is $160 a vial.

Guess that raises the question is 350mg/wk of anavar or 400mg/wk of primo better? and worth the extra cash

Yeah 100mg/10ml is standard.. UGL your looking around 90 a bottle. If your running just primo with a test cruise, then I'd up it to 600 mg a week,, also prefer longer runs like 18+ weeks..
If your running primo synergistically in a blast with several other compounds then lower dose then 600 is fine,, but as a stand alone 600 + is where it shines

 

[Teutonic]

You all noticed human grade through trt clinic s with both test ester s, deca and hcg all of it has DOUBLED IN PRICE in the last 5 years ? Seems I could get a 200 mg per cc bottle, 10 ml for 60-70..now it s 105.00 ish ? My LAST bottle of rx deca was 280 for 300 mg per ml for 10 ml..or is it me.....

SCS-if I misunderstood your q I m sorry..I did get lost a bit...sorry.

 

[Uso]

Yea I pay out the ass.. $100 for test c 200mg/ml 10cc and $550 for 50mgx90 anavar

 

[Roush]

You all noticed human grade through trt clinic s with both test ester s, deca and hcg all of it has DOUBLED IN PRICE in the last 5 years ? Seems I could get a 200 mg per cc bottle, 10 ml for 60-70..now it s 105.00 ish ? My LAST bottle of rx deca was 280 for 300 mg per ml for 10 ml..or is it me.....

SCS-if I misunderstood your q I m sorry..I did get lost a bit...sorry.

Things go up in price as they become main stream .. Trt and injecting "anti aging drugs" (ie, AAS) is more main stream and acceptable and every guy around is jumping on trt,, so now they can charge a lot more cause the demand is there and guys will pay